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      07-03-2013, 04:47 PM   #109
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EU unladen weight that BMW use is Kerb weight plus 68kg driver + 7kg baggage. Jag just show kerb weight, which is apparently the car, plus fuel, plus fluids, but doesn't include driver or baggage.

You are right about the electonics thing, and BMW showed with the M3 CRT, that they'd happily negate the weight savings by adding luxuries... which was stupid... however, especially at the 7 series end of the market... it's the market that dictates the need for gadgets, toys, luxuries etc... so the engineers hard work will always be countered by this.
Gotcha. But yeah, that needs to be the next thing they focus on, lightening the electronics.

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I wonder... if BMW offered a 5 series that had no Air-con, no nav, no power windows, no electric seats, no iDrive, 4 speaker stereos, no air-bags, worse crash protection, and less space, and featured an engine only 14hp more powerful than the i3.... how many they'd sell? Because the best 5 series I've ever driven featured all of those things... it was an E28! BUT the market changes... BMW could never sell a 5 series that was all of those things because everyone would buy heavier Audi's, Merc's, Jag's, Lexus's etc... because they like their comforts and their toys.... I mean, really have you seen how much people on this forum piss and moan about headlamp bulbs? Imagine the epic complaining if they lost Nav!!!!
That annoys me to no end. Especially when they then turn around and try to argue that their newer car drives better than previous BMW's. It just doesn't. I mean this trend of cars getting heavier and larger cannot go on like this forever. At some point it HAS to stop.
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