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      05-11-2016, 12:56 PM   #67
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Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux View Post
Many people - at least where I live - can't afford more than one car in a family.
EVs are still a luxury good.
Not everyone can afford one, or can justify prioritizing one in their limited family budget.

People who can barely afford 1 car should not be paying premium for an EV.

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Of those who do, many commute quite a bit and even if they have two cars need both to be entirely usable. That is not the case for any EV due to the lack of infrastructure and the length of time it takes to charge one when it's empty.

Plus they are exponentially more expensive than a fuel-based vehicle,
Then there is the ~80% of the world's population that can't afford a car. Period.
And ~95% that is not covered by the EV charging infrastructure. EV is not a good fit for either population segment.

EV's are not exponentially more expensive - that is a gross exaggeration. But they do require roughly ~2x capital investment of what one would pay for an equivalent ICE car. Operations costs, per mile, are roughly 1/5th of gasoline power cars.

Depending on your cost of gasoline (stupid high in EU due to taxes), you may find it less costly to drive an EV than an ICE car. That is, IFF you can afford the price of EV entry, AND you live in the civilized part of the world covered by EV charging infrastructure. I know Germany fails on the last count

In 2015, EV sales were ~0.1% of total car sales in the world.
Before the decade is out, they may grow to ~1.0% of total sales.

EV sales may never hit more than 50% of the market, any more than luxury car sales of all kinds will never penetrate more than 50% of the car market.

Luxury car sales history and projections:
http://www.fatprophets.co.nz/Member%...650605F0D.ashx

Overall car sales history and projections:
https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/...0105190008.jpg

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Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux View Post
I'm not assuming anything. Please work on your reading comprehension. I don't care whether you have a bike at home attached to a dyno and create your electricity that way. Fact is, in 99% of the cases the electricity where people charge their EV does come from fossil fuels. And that even in Germany where the government, see above, is plastering every conceivable landscape with windmills. This is called statistics. What you are doing is applying your own situation to everyone else's. That's called something else but I'm too polite to actually say it.
Actually, that's false.

In 2014, in the US, 66.2% of the electricity was generated from fossil fuels (oil, coal, gas).
Across the world, it's 67.5% from fossil fuels way back in 2009.

I'm happy you are familiar with statistics.
Now lets introduce you to the concept of googling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_generation

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...on_By_Type.png




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