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In the US, cars in general aren’t doing well and hatches/wagons have never done well. E.g. ford and Chevy are discontinuing almost their entire line of cars, the 3 and 5 series wagons are dead, etc. If it’s not a suv/truck/crossover, Americans aren’t that interested (generally). |
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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Honestly, I'd prefer a hatchback for an EV, which is one reason I chose the i3.
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Wait, they did, and I did, and it was a Tesla. The only only reason i3 sells (as poorly as it does) in the US are the stupendous BMW NA lease residual subsidies. It's a the cheapest EV to least in the US, period, and it's good enough for commuter duty. To the extend that the incentives are present in other countries, i3 sells. Except that we are spoiled for EV choices in the US, as Tesla's and Bolts are in abundance here, in short supply in Canada, and barely available (or not at all) outside of NA. Bolt could have been a contender, but its implementation bears the scars of GM parts bin foraging: from toilet-ring front seat comfort, to hard plastic-fantastic interior, to recycled econobox platform looks, it's lacking in all the important details. Chevy brand name is equally a burden, especially for a $40+K vehicle. Last, but not the least, is lack of a access to a country-wide L2/L3 charging infrastructure. Tesla is the only company that recognized the last challenge, and did something about it. Unfortunately for other automakers, Tesla went with a custom plug that is not cross compatible with the rest of the EV market. Fortunately for Tesla, "the rest" is now less than 50% of EV sales. No other automaker has dared to tackle the charging infrastructure ubiquity challenge, to date. No other automaker has dared to tackle the battery supply chain constraints either. For a cheap commuter EV - a leased i3 value proposition is hard to beat. For nearly an all-purpose sedan, including mid-/long-distance trips, Tesla is the ONLY viable choice at this time. It does not hurt that it rules all other comparison categories (performance, handling, technology galore, brand coolness, etc) as well. Bolt is stuck in no-man's land. So are most of the other EV offerings. a
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Well, the Bolt as a "contender" compared to the i3, the bolt has a 31,730 sales unit lead since December 2016 when it was introduced. The Bolt has a 7,780 sales lead with all sales months counted, with the i3 having a 32-month lead (June 2014). Both cars are CUVs. People desire range over beauty apparently.
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7-series starts at $80K and quickly crosses $150K. 5-series starts at $50K and quickly crosses $110K. 3-series starts at $40K and can hit $100K. Luxury cars cost more. What else is new? Quote:
You don't own a Model 3, and are talking out of your tailpipe. The rear seats in Model 3 are more comfortable and spacious than those in my F80. Full stop. Tesla's central touch-screen UI is a intuitive, well laid out, and a fantastic improvement on BMW's multitude of buttons, tiny screens, and iDrive radio button. The only other guy I know who complains so much about touch screens is an old-timer at a bar insists flip phones are making a come back, and iPhone's are a fad. Any chance you two are related ? a
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A colleague at work has a Model 3, and I rode back with him from a meeting down town. In February, I sat in the back right seat of his car for 45 minutes, it was miserable. The floor is too high in relationship to the seat cushion, and the seatback rake is wrong, which places ones muscles in an odd, strenuous position. Honest magazine reviews of the Model 3 say this as well. That experience, along with the gauge treatment, has turned me off to the car. Audi, in any of its current cars, offers as much or more information in a far better, driver focused, gauge layout. But it's expensive to engineer and produce such gear for automobiles. Tesla should be commended for what it is attempting to do with both the S and Model 3. It is attempting to compete with a product that needs new manufacturing infrastructure and engineering practices invented to produce it against well-established products from long-standing automotive manufacturers. The shortcomings of the S and Model 3 are obvious results of such an endeavor, but it doesn't mean everyone should like the cars. Everyone places the Model s and Model 3 in the "luxury" category because of their pricing, not because of their content. The Model s is nowhere near a luxurious as an S-class Benz. The Model 3 was supposed be the mainstream, affordable C-sized sedan that was supposed to be priced at $35,000 and convert the driving public to electric. It's not priced at $35K, so it gets thrown into the 3-series near-lux sedan class. As a consumer, who is looking for a mid-sized 4-door sedan, at an affordable price, there are at least 10 models from other manufacturers that are far less expensive than the Model 3.
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