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Why? The range is equal to Model S in highway (which is only that matters in real life) and enough in the city. In city no one drives hundreds of miles.
Also Model S and Taycan are so different in tire etc. department that Taycan could probably outrun in range Model S if that would be to goal, which is not. |
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Let\'s see if i4 can even compete with Tesla & Polestar
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I test drove the Taycan and came back not as impressed as I thought I would be.
Good handling, but numb steering and brakes, very noticeable heft, and a lack of engagement due to no transmission really let it down, and the synthetic noise which I thought would be cool was more annoying and didn't match throttle input. The interior is only okay with materials, there are some obvious hard plastics, and space is tight despite being mid-sized (a model 3 is larger inside and for cargo), and the tech is clumsy at best. My biggest issue is price, I drove a $160k car and didn't feel satisfied, my sales advisor even said "this one is lightly optioned." There is no way in hell I'd spend $160k on a Porsche that doesn't have an engine at the back or middle, 911, 718, and even used GT3/4's can be had at this price point, or even better, a Model 3 AND a 718 GTS 4.0/Used GT4, that way you can have your cake and eat it too, a great electric daily and fun weekend sports car. |
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Range is a function, in part, of driving style. Most Porsche drivers will drive enthusiastically and that will drain a battery. If someone is getting 300 miles on a Taycan they are driving it like a Prius. Why in the world one would buy a Porsche and drive it like a Prius blows my mind.
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22 Sept is the proposed date for Tesla's battery day.
FWIW, Search 3600 mile Tesla battery. Interesting possibilities if that kind of range can be achieved from one charge. Read that re-cycle charges are limited to 75, but do the math. For many drivers 3-4 charges per year is all that would be need (in my case one or two). Cross country trips would be doable on one charge. Long lines at recharging station would not be the case. Schedule a recharge appointment at a dealership or vendor and be good for another 3600 miles. Interesting possibilities..................................... . Last edited by USA-RET; 08-04-2020 at 11:37 AM.. |
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08-04-2020, 11:33 PM | #11 |
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Obviosly 300 miles of range will be achieved when cruising in highway type scenario. That it also the only time u need long range as nobody is driving 200-300 miles in city per day.
I dont drive crazy in highways, do you guys? Also porsche has wide tires etc. which are not suited for max range. If you wish to have more range you can change things (and ruin the car). |
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https://greentransportation.info/ev-...%20dynamometer. The Taycan actually does perform better in the real-world as it's not trying to attract people who are solely interested in range. Search for your selves. Matt Farah drove from LA to Palm Springs on one charge and he is not the only one. This is a distance of 212 miles on a vehicle that is certified for 200 miles. Also keep in mind that these guy's did not hyper mile the cars. The biggest difference between tech companies and OEM manufacturers is when it comes to range claims. OEMs have a better understand of automotive customers as they have decades of experience. They rather underestimate and over-deliver. In many cases, traditional OEM's do better in real-world testing vs EPA claims compared to Tesla. With that said. With what I've seen from BMW over the last few EV models, I feel that they will be able to compete with Tesla from a range standpoint. They may not claim a higher range, but it certainly will be more consistent and have less battery capacity loss over time. In addition, the cars will be more refined. In addition to the range, what is most important is that these cars look good. No one wants their car to look like an i3 or any of the i brand products. People want sleek and sexy designs that stand out because of beauty, not weirdness. Regardless, BMW will do a good job as it knows the stakes. They cannot afford to screw up due to long product cycles. |
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09-05-2020, 11:31 AM | #15 | |
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I too hope the i4 meets of exceeds expectations. Still not getting why BMW publishes its range @ 373 mile while the car mags expect it to come in at 270 miles (and yes I know about the two standards used to measure range). My point being that cars available now when tested using the two methods, their differences never amount to a 1/3 loss of range. If BMW range numbers are to be believed, EPA numbers should be between 320 and 330 miles for range |
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09-05-2020, 11:48 AM | #16 | |
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I think BMW knows this and will respond accordingly. Think about this, manufacturers are chasing an arbitrary number. What's more important is real-world utilization and consistency. |
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In my situation (living in Florida), when I get into my car and start it, two thing come on immediately, the AC and my music. Both of these will suck extra power from the batteries. Additionally, during the summer we get plenty of rain showers (usually one per afternoon). This will add wipers and headlights to the power drain. I've come to rely on maximum range numbers as just that...max range w/o any accessories. The best I can do is SWAG what range losses I will incur if using an EV's accessories when driving. I've watched a few videos of guys testing range on vehicle where temps have dropped and heat was needed and the car range was noticeably impacted. The more accessories used, the shorter the range. So, IMO any EV advertising a max range at the limit of ones actual needs probably won't meet those needs (if they use the EV as they use their ICE car). I agree that for most people 250 miles (with normal accessories being used) would be acceptable. 300-320 (real world mileage w/ accessories) would be my sweet spot. My situation requires a bit more range to satisfy any range anxiety. We have a weekend cabin approx 100 miles from our home. So that requires 200 miles there and back and another 75-100 for travel when we are there. My Mini and M240i can make the trip both ways with the running around in between and arrive back home with still some gasoline remaining. To further muddy the situation, most all manufacturers agree that charging to 100% and discharging to less than 20% will shorten battery life. So are the published range numbers based on 100% to 0% or 85% to 20%? Tesla's talk of a 400+ mile range battery could be about right for me when factoring in losses due to accessories, my cabin travel and max-min charging limits. Still so many unknowns now. Certainly for urban travel or trips of 100 miles or less, most current EV's would be more than serviceable. |
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My only concern with range increases is they directly correlate to weight. I can't wait for the day that they can improve the battery vs cram more in. |
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Not even close, there's entire service divisions / engineers / sales / advisors etc. that currently use company diesels (or frugal petrols) to travel up and down counties all day. They can't really stop for a 3 - 5 hour charge during.
I've done the odd 350 mile trip (one way) and I wouldn't even consider an EV unless it could do 400 miles mixed (IRL). Lucid's 571 mile range even if optimistic would fit the picture but I seriously doubt any company would settle for a $139K price tag seen as most of their fleet or car allowances equate to $40K (or less) BMW's (mainly).. Then again we don't really need 800HP to travel at 70MPH for five hours either.. |
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You can achieve that now, just haul a small generator that can maintain the charge and you'll never stop more than a few min. |
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