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      05-16-2011, 09:33 PM   #23
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I am guessing that the money you save on gas will go to the insurance companies... carbon fiber is strong but also brittle.
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      05-16-2011, 11:06 PM   #25
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That is a little pricey for what you get. I just don't see the appeal of all electric cars when hydrogen cars are the way of the future.
Because hydrogen cars aren't the way of the future you idiot (I couldn't think of a nicer word to call you, sorry but it's true). And they will never be... The amount of energy per liter of compressed hydrogen that can be extracted is a fraction of other fuels (so you would need huge tanks to hold enough compressed hydrogen to travel just 100 miles), not to mention the danger of having a huge compressed hydrogen tank in your car that could explode. Hydrogen cars are a gimmick. I hate when people say things with no real knowledge.

Also that is not pricey at all... BMW, all electric, carbon fiber body, and on top of that you get a huge Eco tax credit. -_-
Google the Honda FCX Clarity. Hydrogen IS the way of the future. And none of them exploded.
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      05-16-2011, 11:15 PM   #26
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untill they figure out how to recharge the battery in minutes, its pretty useless for me. i dont go home everyday and i drive all around. do they expect ppl to drive to work and back only and never leave the house?
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      05-16-2011, 11:48 PM   #27
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I would take a porsche 918 hybrid. Those seem efficient.
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      05-16-2011, 11:55 PM   #28
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That is a little pricey for what you get. I just don't see the appeal of all electric cars when hydrogen cars are the way of the future.
Because hydrogen cars aren't the way of the future you idiot (I couldn't think of a nicer word to call you, sorry but it's true). And they will never be... The amount of energy per liter of compressed hydrogen that can be extracted is a fraction of other fuels (so you would need huge tanks to hold enough compressed hydrogen to travel just 100 miles), not to mention the danger of having a huge compressed hydrogen tank in your car that could explode. Hydrogen cars are a gimmick. I hate when people say things with no real knowledge.

Also that is not pricey at all... BMW, all electric, carbon fiber body, and on top of that you get a huge Eco tax credit. -_-
Google the Honda FCX Clarity. Hydrogen IS the way of the future. And none of them exploded.
Nope! Unless they figure out a more efficient way of producing hydrogen, it won't be the way of the future. It takes more energy to capture and produce hydrogen than it would yield.
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      05-17-2011, 12:01 AM   #29
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Electric is the wrong way to take for future cars. Range is severely compromised and the biggest drawback is that charging the battery takes a minimum of a few hours! No thanks

Electric cars will never be fun to drive, simply because there is no freedom of driving
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      05-17-2011, 12:38 AM   #30
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you guys got it all wrong... fusion is the next fuel source for cars

but man can you guys imagine a small fusion cell that is planted inside a car as a power source, shit is like decades away probably .
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      05-17-2011, 07:26 AM   #31
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untill they figure out how to recharge the battery in minutes, its pretty useless for me. i dont go home everyday and i drive all around. do they expect ppl to drive to work and back only and never leave the house?
how many miles is your commute? If it is 100+ miles both ways then you are in the vast minority. Most commutes are < 60 miles, leaving 100 miles to "cruze around aimlessly". But keep in mind, the people who will drive this car don't find much please in "cruzing" the i3. They might have a weekend car for pleasure driving.
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      05-17-2011, 09:42 AM   #32
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      05-17-2011, 09:45 AM   #33
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The amount of energy that can be extracted from 1 liter of pure water is 0.111kg×300.000×300.000 = 10.000.000.000.000.000 joules (the equivalent of 1633986 barrels of oil which contain 42 US gallon each.) Have a nice day!
It is irrelevant how many joules of energy one can extract from water (even disregarding the fact that this quantity is virtually uninterpretable by the average person). The fact is, the conversion process is extremely inefficient in the current state-of-the-art, especially on-board an automobile. Maybe someday we will drive extremely efficient fuel cell cars, but in the near future, the alternative tech that is the most promising is electric, Exxon Mobile.
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isn't hydrogen one of the most abundant elements in the universe .........
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      05-17-2011, 10:04 AM   #35
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"It has been estimated that hydrogen makes up more than 90% of all the atoms or three-quarters of the mass of the universe. It is found in the sun and most stars, and plays an important part in the proton-proton reaction and carbon-nitrogen cycle, which accounts for the energy of the sun and stars."


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      05-17-2011, 12:03 PM   #36
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I had jet black on my 335 and it was hard to maintain. Chips and scratches will show up easily. The non metallic paints tends to be softer than metallic ones too. So at 3pm miles the front of the car looks like it was sand blasted. My next car a 535 and was black sapphire metallic. Since it was metallic it was was less prone to chipping than jet black. My current car is space gray and am convinced to never get a black car again. There is so much you can do to clean a black car but black hides defects very poorly.
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      05-17-2011, 12:58 PM   #37
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As long as the premium for electric cars over a similar gas/diesel remains ridiculous the market will remain at less than 5%. Why not put a turbo diesel in the car instead, get 1000kms per tank and pay 5-8k less?
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      05-17-2011, 01:31 PM   #38
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Because hydrogen cars aren't the way of the future you idiot (I couldn't think of a nicer word to call you, sorry but it's true). And they will never be... The amount of energy per liter of compressed hydrogen that can be extracted is a fraction of other fuels (so you would need huge tanks to hold enough compressed hydrogen to travel just 100 miles), not to mention the danger of having a huge compressed hydrogen tank in your car that could explode. Hydrogen cars are a gimmick. I hate when people say things with no real knowledge.

Also that is not pricey at all... BMW, all electric, carbon fiber body, and on top of that you get a huge Eco tax credit. -_-
Ermmm...please do some research yourself before calling people idiots.

BMW still strongly beleives that hydrogen is the fuel of the future.

Hydrogen has an energy 'density' which makes it a very efficient fuel - one kilo of hydrogen contains three times as much energy as a kilo of oil
Hydrogen can be efficiently transported and stored and therefore helps tackle supply and demand issues
Hydrogen is suitable for a decentralised energy supply – it is available throughout the world and is not limited to a specific region.

Hydrogen is set to become a major energy source in the future but there are many hurdles to overcome. New technologies have to be developed, tested and go into production. Their efficiency and profitability have to be ensured and they must gain a broad customer acceptance before market entry. Lastly, a viable infrastructure (for example, hydrogen filling stations) needs to be put in place.

In 2006 BMW supplied the Mayor of London with a hydrogen fuel 7 series to prove that it was a viable solution to our energy problems.

You may want to do some research into BMW and their hydrogen beliefs, there are a number of BMW websites with this information.

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Ermmm...please do some research yourself before calling people idiots.

BMW still strongly beleives that hydrogen is the fuel of the future.

Hydrogen has an energy 'density' which makes it a very efficient fuel - one kilo of hydrogen contains three times as much energy as a kilo of oil
Hydrogen can be efficiently transported and stored and therefore helps tackle supply and demand issues
Hydrogen is suitable for a decentralised energy supply – it is available throughout the world and is not limited to a specific region.

Hydrogen is set to become a major energy source in the future but there are many hurdles to overcome. New technologies have to be developed, tested and go into production. Their efficiency and profitability have to be ensured and they must gain a broad customer acceptance before market entry. Lastly, a viable infrastructure (for example, hydrogen filling stations) needs to be put in place.

In 2006 BMW supplied the Mayor of London with a hydrogen fuel 7 series to prove that it was a viable solution to our energy problems.

You may want to do some research into BMW and their hydrogen beliefs, there are a number of BMW websites with this information.

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Seriously? Your proof that hydrogen is going somewhere is that BMW supplied, for publicity stunt, the mayor with a free car? Now if that is not proof I've never seen any.

And you overlook the fact that BMW chooses electric as their mass-production alternative car of choice. Even after they invested millions in the Hydrogen 7 they decide to scrap that idea because it was impractical.... think about that.
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Please check the BMW Education websites for Clean Energy.


I am speaking with some knowledge in the brand

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You are the big idiot here (sorry but it's true)
The amount of energy that can be extracted from 1 liter of pure water is 0.111kg×300.000×300.000 = 10.000.000.000.000.000 joules (the equivalent of 1633986 barrels of oil which contain 42 US gallon each.) Have a nice day!
Good lord did you just use E=mc^2 as some sort of formula to calculate how much energy a hydrogen fuel car would generate? Unless you've got an antimatter-matter annihilating engine you're wrong. This is so ignorant it has to be a troll. Right?

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Here's the cold weather test video in sweden
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      05-18-2011, 08:46 AM   #44
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Sounds like typical incompetence, keep us updated
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