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Let me into a little secret, the real world no one drives their cars at 8/10th never mind 10/10th and in the street you very seldom get above 5/10th of what they are capable of, so ignore the press BS where they say you don't have the same nimble directional changes and numb steering because in the real world this isn't noticed. But what is noticed is that instant acceleration regardless of whether you are in Sport Boost or even ECO Pro and the buttery smooth delivery of that power. And then you come to running cost (real world driving that is) because I have yet to switch to an EV tariff for cheap night time charging and even without it my running costs on fuel vs electric costs are a third of the M5C a 1/3rd so I can enjoy all this instant grunt all the time and not have to worry what it's costing. Last edited by footie; 04-29-2022 at 04:23 AM.. |
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Most EU countries except France which is loaded with nuclear plants and the nordics with hydro / gas, can't possibly cope up with electricity production without the fuel, gas... or coal... so there you go for your funding and environmental concerns. Now 75% of the mines used to produce the batteries are owned by China (even if most of the mines are not in China)... So it's also debatable funding especially when you see the workers who are actually mining in some places, it's not pretty. Personally I think the sooner EVs stops depending on batteries the better... There is enough environmental destruction from the mining to produce batteries for consumer electronics, we don't need to add worldwide car production scale of this on top of that. |
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04-29-2022, 04:32 AM | #27 | |
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Two different animals from two different worlds. M3 and i4 are just sharing similar body and thats it. A high performace 4000 lb combustion car is not even comparable with a 5000 lb EV car! TBH comparing M3 with even 330 makes more sense. I believe the battle between i4 and Tesla 3p is the real Apple to Apple…
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I went from 3600 lb F80 M3 to 4300 lb F92 M8 and absolutely feel the weight change despite the agility of M8. And no need to add that both are real M car!
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04-29-2022, 05:31 AM | #29 | |
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I know the M5 Competition isn't a light car either and probably in between the weight of the M3 and i4M50 but to be completely honest I don't notice the extra weight even when I push it hard down a back road. I think if there is one failing with the i4M50 is the way its AWD system is set up, it's no rear bias enough and this is possibly by choice from BMW to allow a more focus M version to come and deliver that driver appeal some here are looking. But regardless of what an M version will be it will never truly be a track car, weight kills two things on track, tyres and brakes so a few hot laps will be the absolute limit. |
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04-29-2022, 07:15 AM | #31 | |
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04-29-2022, 07:40 AM | #32 |
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After an hour of unrestricted by my self test drive, I was already bored of the one trick pony push the pedal and feel the torque. For me when I drove it back to the dealer didn't even look back to question if it's the right car to have fun in my daily commute.
I work LONG hours and have a LONG commute, allot of days the drive is the fun part of the day? That car didn't deliver a FUN experience plus my stomach didn't like the instant acceleration. I am sure this might be different to what some people are looking for in a car. |
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Also I've been to about 5 bmw ultimate drive events and a 2 day m school and having autox'd the m50 this past weekend I can say the car is very capable and fun to drive; they weren't allowing us to use sport boost mode so the fun factor would definitely go up with that. I think a vast majority of M3 buyers (not everyone is an expert speed racer) would find a lot of value in the i4. It's missing the track car feel, but I also won't feel bad starting it at anytime of day as opposed to my m3 which I'm sure gets a few swear words from the neighbors at times.... |
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Your head is just not that big to have two apparently conflicting ideas at the same time, that’s all.
After 5 M3 in a row in 20 years, I ordered an i4 M50 last year. I’m not going back to gas engines, but I want the closest M3 experience possible in an EV, and right now this is it regardless of EV brand. Once BMW makes a M EV then I get that one. Quote:
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In my experience, anyone that says they are buying an EV to save the environment are full of it and I personally know a lot of them. There are dozens of things they do every day, dozens of more things they own (including big houses with TVs and fridges in every room) that would have a bigger impact than buying an EV. In fact, an EV probably wouldn't even be in the top 10 difference makers.
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I used to go to Buttonwillow and Willow Springs quite a bit in my M3. The i4 has plenty of attributes to keep you well entertained. First of all, with my driving habits, I get no more than 16mpg, even driving a Mini Cooper S. Sure I could get 35mpg, but my 2 month average is 16. Same with my BMWs. Except for the 35mpg 335d, which my 3 year average came out to 24mpg. The point is driving way more aggressively in my BEV's than my ICE cars, still results in an average around 100mpge. So you can drive more aggressively in an electric car without paying the penalty of horrible fuel mileage. There are those that THINK they live their life on a road course, and yet they drive much more mellow than myself. I go through rear tires in 6000-10000 miles, while they get at least double that. The point is if you always drive spiritedly, the tremendous wave of torque, and instant throttle response are more beneficial in real life than 10/10th track numbers. Not that the .99g cornering of the i4 is pathetic by any means. This is also the second test I have seen the i4 out brake the M4, including the CarWow test. So again, the weight of the i4 is not an issue on the street. In real life, in an accident with a lighter vehicle, extra weight is usually your friend. And not having a loud, high winding ICE engine is not always a good thing. If you love to do heavy acceleration in everyday driving, the loud engine only attracts the wrong kind of attention from the police dept. If you are trying to make a yellow light, the EV is the perfect tool to have. Instant throttle response, WOT without the screaming engine that would attract the motor cop at the intersection. This is real life. I have accidentally been WOT right by a parked patrol car, without even drawing attention. And personally, I love the jet like sounds my i3 makes. I only wish the i4 had more of that motor/inverter sound too. But it is always entertaining to be able to hear right when the car in the next lane floors it, or lets off the throttle etc. It is even more entertaining to hear that screaming, straining gas vehicle next to you (ie Camaros, Mustangs, etc), while you effortlessly pull away in an EV. Its also nice to be able to control the climate control by your phone app, and precool the interior of the car on a hot day. On the same token, being able to relax in a climate controlled car during your lunch break without having to run your engine is incredibly convenient. There are a lot of positives for EVs. This is why there are so many BEV drivers that say they will never go back to an ICE vehicle again. Plenty of Tesla owners in here that were former BMW M owners. Hopefully BMW will keep coming out with more competitive performance BEV offerings.
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Neither EV or ICE cars are particularly good for the environment. Where I fail to understand the logic is if you genuinely want to reduce emissions in the vehicle you drive, why wouldn't you push to continue to improve the ICE. It's incredible how efficient these manufactures have these cars now. I believe a self sustaining hybrid is the most effective way we can reduce our carbon footprint with vehicles. But everyone's got an agenda and no one cares to do their own research. The mass production of these (in my opinion) unfinished EVs, are not such a good thing right now. Edit: to not sound like a dinosaur who can't move on. I am very excited to see where battery tech takes us in the coming decade. That's all I'm really saying. I don't believe lithium ions with a 250mile range are good enough for mass production EVs. When we figure out reliable solid state battery technology and can go 400 miles on 30-40kw of battery. That's when EVs will prove themselves |
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