[Fast.F10]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Lights and sirens can and usually are used at the officers discretion. There were numerous times I wouldn't use them. It is possible the officer was trying to close the distance to a car ahead and didn't want to alert that driver to his presence, it is possible he was responding to a call that didn't necessitate lights and sirens, it is possible he was trying to move close to an area as an event was unfolding that didn't require his/her immediate attention but wanted to be close just in case. It is also possible that it was just some sloppy driving (it happens). When I was working if I saw someone make that lane change I likely wouldn't have stopped them, maybe held back to watch to see if there was an issue.

Thank you for these points sir.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Fast.F10

Thank you for these points sir.

No worries. Law Enforcement is a bizarre world to work in, things are often not as they seem and the way most people look at the world and their day to day activities don't always jive with what you might see LEO doing.

[ezaircon4jc]

The view seems to have a bit of a fisheye effect, so the distances are pretty distorted. I have a bigger problem with the panic slowdown of the Tesla. he obviously doesn't grasp time & distance. The officer was pulling away from him when he changed lanes. The Tesla couldn't catch him with, what we joked about at work, a catching stick. I guess that could've been Tesla's autopilot panicking.

[dmatre]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

File a complaint for what? I watched the video and I assume your issue was the lane change the officer made. At most a very minor moving violation and likely has a reason that you may not be aware of.

I was thinking he should've pulled the schmuck for dawdling in the left lane...

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by dmatre

I was thinking he should've pulled the schmuck for dawdling in the left lane...

I hate when people do that, but the reality is it almost never gets enforced.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Fast.F10

Thank you for your reply sir. Yes, my issue is: not signaling to move over, not a safe distance to get in front of me, same holds true for when he got back into the left lane. While it may not be a "huge" issue per say in light of that officers daily tasks...I do not find it proper. Nor did he have his lights/siren on or sped away quickly indicating he was enroute to an event. So not sure what other reason he/she might have had for those events to take place.

You’re making a lot of assumptions. You have to remember that we have a dispatch radio, local tactical radio channels and a mobile computer in the car providing us information you are unaware of. You have no idea what was going on and/or what that officer was responding to (….nor any tactical considerations). What you’re doing is akin to observing two people having a conversation and assuming what that conversation is about without hearing a single word being uttered.

[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Good on Orange County for still prosecuting these types of crimes though.

Speaking of that....

Also this is one of the most gratifying arrests ever, wonder what area of the world these fine folks are from? :

[BIGW0RM]

I have a California gun question. Sorry if its been asked. If I want to take my pistol to the range for practice. It was my understanding that I need to have the gun unloaded in a locked box/bag in my trunk with the mag out next to it.

My local gun shop told me that I did NOT have to have the pistol locked in a box. That it just needed to be unloaded in a box or bag in my trunk with the magazine out. His argument was, the truck is a lock.

I plan to just use a lock regardless. But are they right or wrong? Does the firearm need to be in a locked box or is the truck lock enough?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I have a California gun question. Sorry if its been asked. If I want to take my pistol to the range for practice. It was my understanding that I need to have the gun unloaded in a locked box/bag in my trunk with the mag out next to it.

My local gun shop told me that I did NOT have to have the pistol locked in a box. That it just needed to be unloaded in a box or bag in my trunk with the magazine out. His argument was, the truck is a lock.

I plan to just use a lock regardless. But are they right or wrong? Does the firearm need to be in a locked box or is the truck lock enough?

Technically it needs to be in a locked case, but no officer is going to split hairs like that. The firearm can even be in the car with you, albeit not on your person unless you have a CCW, as long as it’s in the locked case and as long as the ammo is in the trunk (…or substantially separated as to not be available for immediate offensive or defensive use).

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Technically it needs to be in a locked case, but no officer is going to split hairs like that. The firearm can even be in the car with you, albeit not on your person unless you have a CCW, as long as it’s in the locked case and as long as the ammo is in the trunk (…or substantially separated as to not be available for immediate offensive or defensive use).

Thank you very much Sedan_Clan. Much appreciated.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Thank you very much Sedan_Clan. Much appreciated.

Any time Grande Wormy!!! That’s what I’m/we’re here for.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Technically it needs to be in a locked case, but no officer is going to split hairs like that. The firearm can even be in the car with you, albeit not on your person unless you have a CCW, as long as it’s in the locked case and as long as the ammo is in the trunk (…or substantially separated as to not be available for immediate offensive or defensive use).

I'm sure you are correct about the law in CA so no dispute there. What I will say is those are BS laws. And one of the reasons I am SOOOOOOO happy I live in Arizona.

[///d]

Little different topic here, but one of importance non-the-less.

I'm sure law enforcement and first responders see a lot the same issues with PTS, TBI, physical injuries as the military does. Do you have specific systems or facilities that focus on these fields? The military has the VA, and while it's widely regarded as not-so-great, it has been getting better and they are starting to look more into unconventional, holisitic, and psychedelic treatments.

I listen to a lot of military podcasts, and almost all of them have stories of guys leaving traditional medicine and trying other methods, and those seem to be working very well. If you're interested in a great podcast about injury and recovery, The Medevac Podcast is great.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by ///d

Little different topic here, but one of importance non-the-less.

I'm sure law enforcement and first responders see a lot the same issues with PTS, TBI, physical injuries as the military does. Do you have specific systems or facilities that focus on these fields? The military has the VA, and while it's widely regarded as not-so-great, it has been getting better and they are starting to look more into unconventional, holisitic, and psychedelic treatments.

I listen to a lot of military podcasts, and almost all of them have stories of guys leaving traditional medicine and trying other methods, and those seem to be working very well. If you're interested in a great podcast about injury and recovery, The Medevac Podcast is great.

Most modern larger police departments (fire and EMS as well) have lots of support for members suffering with PTSD or other job related injuries, EFAP (Employee & Family Assistance Program) is available to all members and their families, it is outsourced, confidential and free. I know there are a number of volunteer organizations as well that are available to all first responders and military in Canada that are funded through donations and are managed by former first responders and military personnel. This is one that I'm familiar with and knowing some of the folks involved I suspect they'd pick up the phone and talk to anyone who needed help from outside of Canada or have contact information that would be available to others.

https://www.bootsontheground.ca

[Reborn_]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

Also this is one of the most gratifying arrests ever, wonder what area of the world these fine folks are from? :

That arrest was delicious. The kids crying in the back... so sad - not the first or last time they see mom and dad behaving this way.

That said, good Lord, the police (in general, and here specifically) have so much restraint. I couldn't even play that without skipping forward because I was being aggravated, lol.

[UncleWede]

Our local force (~28) doesn't have anything within the organization outside of mentor, on-on-one support. The City does provide EAP to all employees.

Officers can get their direct support from an agency of the County. Apparently just made sense to have it done there, orders of magnitude, etc.

There are also chaplains who travel from department to department as needed. "Chappy" was in the hospital and escorted my mom from her room to the morgue. That was the most comforting thing that happened that morning, knowing she wouldn't be alone going down there.

And a prime example of karma: I had always helped him out with the parish computers, at most let him buy me a sammich for doing it.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ///d

Little different topic here, but one of importance non-the-less.

I'm sure law enforcement and first responders see a lot the same issues with PTS, TBI, physical injuries as the military does. Do you have specific systems or facilities that focus on these fields? The military has the VA, and while it's widely regarded as not-so-great, it has been getting better and they are starting to look more into unconventional, holisitic, and psychedelic treatments.

I listen to a lot of military podcasts, and almost all of them have stories of guys leaving traditional medicine and trying other methods, and those seem to be working very well. If you're interested in a great podcast about injury and recovery, The Medevac Podcast is great.

My partners in this thread have already offered some insight. As it pertains to my department specifically, we have a Psychological Services Bureau that offers various methods of intervention and assistance. Culturally, however, people/personnel still feel apprehensive about reaching out in fear of adverse affects to their employment; only seeking assistance after the situation becomes so bad that termination is on the table (…which is the very thing they were trying to avoid in the first place).

[UncleWede]

Even off-duty is rough

Sedan, did you know Cunningham?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Even off-duty is rough

Sedan, did you know Cunningham?

I didn’t, but two of my LAPD buddies used to work the same division with him. Damn DUI drivers…..running red lights!!!

[cmyx6go]

So sad. I just read there were 4 suicides in the LA County Sheriffs Dept in 24 hours. I imagine this hits really close to home for Sedan. So sorry for your loss.

Rest in Peace.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shockwave...071248757.html

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

So sad. I just read there were 4 suicides in the LA County Sheriffs Dept in 24 hours. I imagine this hits really close to home for Sedan. So sorry for your loss.

Rest in Peace.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shockwave...071248757.html

Damn. It's always tough when this happens, but 4 in 24 hours is brutal. lots of questions.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

So sad. I just read there were 4 suicides in the LA County Sheriffs Dept in 24 hours. I imagine this hits really close to home for Sedan. So sorry for your loss.

Rest in Peace.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shockwave...071248757.html

Yeah it has been a rough couple of days. A lot has gone on.