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      10-02-2015, 01:05 PM   #1
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I have a 2014 Rex and have 10k miles on it. I am now going on my 3rd set of tires. I love the car and the concept. I went from a Chevy Volt to the more advanced BMW. I have inquired with my BMW service mgr and he has 5 I3's that are having the same issue. The inside of all 4 tires are wearing out. The outside and middle are fine. He told me that he has been talking with his BMW service rep but not gettin very far. BMW say they have not heard of this issue as of yet. Seems very strange that only one BMW store is having this issue. Is anyone else having the same issue?
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I have a 2014 Rex and have 10k miles on it. I am now going on my 3rd set of tires. I love the car and the concept. I went from a Chevy Volt to the more advanced BMW. I have inquired with my BMW service mgr and he has 5 I3's that are having the same issue. The inside of all 4 tires are wearing out. The outside and middle are fine. He told me that he has been talking with his BMW service rep but not gettin very far. BMW say they have not heard of this issue as of yet. Seems very strange that only one BMW store is having this issue. Is anyone else having the same issue?
10k miles on my 20" sport tires which I think would likely have less tread life than the all seasons but they have plenty of tread.

And I don't drive it easy.
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I have a 2014 Rex and have 10k miles on it. I am now going on my 3rd set of tires. I love the car and the concept. I went from a Chevy Volt to the more advanced BMW. I have inquired with my BMW service mgr and he has 5 I3's that are having the same issue. The inside of all 4 tires are wearing out. The outside and middle are fine. He told me that he has been talking with his BMW service rep but not gettin very far. BMW say they have not heard of this issue as of yet. Seems very strange that only one BMW store is having this issue. Is anyone else having the same issue?
No - this is neither common, nor acceptable.
Inside wear == too much negative camber.

Check the alignment (at a professional tire shop, NOT the dealer) and bring it to factory spec. Should cost you $80-150 (depending on where you live).

You could THEN argue with BMW/dealer for reimbursement, but as I found out the hard way, such claims are usually denied after first 1K miles.

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P.S.: I have i3-REX on 19" all-seasons with ~6K miles on them, and maybe 2/32ds of even tire wear all around.
P.P.S.: I hope the dealer was charging you for tires a price that's not much higher than what you can get form tirerack.com:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireS...SortCode=57245
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I have a 2014 Rex and have 10k miles on it. I am now going on my 3rd set of tires. I love the car and the concept. I went from a Chevy Volt to the more advanced BMW. I have inquired with my BMW service mgr and he has 5 I3's that are having the same issue. The inside of all 4 tires are wearing out. The outside and middle are fine. He told me that he has been talking with his BMW service rep but not gettin very far. BMW say they have not heard of this issue as of yet. Seems very strange that only one BMW store is having this issue. Is anyone else having the same issue?
If a wheel alignment and camber adjustment doesn't fix the problem, send me a PM and I will send you the name and phone number of the lawyer (in San Diego, CA) who successfully prosecuted a class action against Honda for the excessive tire wear on early Acura NSX models in the early 1990s.

If a lot of i3 owners are getting 3,000 on a set of tires, there's a class action lawsuit in there. That's way too few miles for modern tires.
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If a wheel alignment and camber adjustment doesn't fix the problem, send me a PM and I will send you the name and phone number of the lawyer (in San Diego, CA) who successfully prosecuted a class action against Honda for the excessive tire wear on early Acura NSX models in the early 1990s.

If a lot of i3 owners are getting 3,000 on a set of tires, there's a class action lawsuit in there. That's way too few miles for modern tires.
Send it to me now - I'm down to wear bars on my M3's PSS tires after 8K miles.
Those 410 ft.lbs (550 Newton meters) of torque are a defect and the definite root cause, I'm certain of it ...

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Send it to me now - I'm down to wear bars on my M3's PSS tires after 8K miles.
Those 410 ft.lbs (550 Newton meters) of torque are a defect and the definite root cause, I'm certain of it ...

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Can any other i3 drivers comment on how much mileage they are getting on their tires? My current M5 PSSs went about 13000 miles before needing replacement.

Changing tires every 3k miles would definitely take a chunk out of the cost benefit of all electric.

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Can any other i3 drivers comment on how much mileage they are getting on their tires? My current M5 PSSs went about 13000 miles before needing replacement.

Changing tires every 3k miles would definitely take a chunk out of the cost benefit of all electric.

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I'm at 10k miles on mine 20" sport tires. Drive spiritedly and still have plenty of tread left.
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Can any other i3 drivers comment on how much mileage they are getting on their tires?
I have 7.5K miles on OEM 19" Ecopia EP600 all-seasons on my REX.
Just measured at between 6/32nds and 7/32nds of tread left on all four corners.

Supposedly, they start at 9/32nds at front and 10/32nds in the back when new, so I've used up ~35-40% of tread over 7.5K miles (assuming 4/32nds lease return minim is zero):
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...r=Mega%20World

They will definitely not last the length of the lease, but at least the tires are cheap $550/4-pack.

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My current M5 PSSs went about 13000 miles before needing replacement.

Changing tires every 3k miles would definitely take a chunk out of the cost benefit of all electric.
My PSS's on F80 are down to wear bars (and tread is gone on outside front shoulders altogether) after ~7.5K miles.
3 DE days and 5 autoX had something to do with that

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Sorry to hijack? thread or change topics, what are your thoughts on M3 vs i3?

I'm seriously considering swapping out my M5 for i3, that's why I'm lurking on the i3 page. Many reasons - getting older and more "practical", fuel cost savings, etc...

I know its apples and oranges, but any thoughts?
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Sorry to hijack? thread or change topics, what are your thoughts on M3 vs i3?
Two totally different cars, with very little in common.

M3 is a faster, lighter, more nimble M5.
The F80 is pretty much the same size as E60, but weighting at ~3500 lbs vs. 4,100 lbs for E60. F10 is even heavier, but also bigger and more powerful than both E60 and F80.
M3 is superb 4-door family hauler with better performance and handling characteristics than '90s Testarossa or 2000's 360.
The above statement is almost unbelievable, but true.
A perfect highway cruiser, or a dual purpose kids hauler/track car.

i3 is BMW's evolution of MiniE and ActiveE, and a fashion and lifestyle statement as much as a car.
It's 1/2 the price of Model S (the best EV on the market), but smaller, lighter, and more maneuverable around tight spaces. It is a great grocery getter, and a great town'n'country commuter vehicle. I took it to an autoX once, and it was floaty but predictable at 2nd gear speeds and below.

It's NOT a mega-city car (at all, long story), or a viable one and only car.
It's NOT really a 4-door car (more of a 2-door coupe with rarely used rear suicide doors that are a nuisance to operate).
Where i3 falls short the most, is when you take it out and get it upto speed on a highway.
It is a handful at highway speeds (strong tramlining from narrow tires, lateral movement with wind direction changes), and the suspension is way too soft to inspire confidence for emergency lane changes at speed. It really needs a sports package.

i3 is a good EV, but a mediocre car.

But for a ~$8K (for REX, less for BEV) for a 2 year lease that will save you ~$3.5K on gas, it's a great and stylish experiment.

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I'm seriously considering swapping out my M5 for i3, that's why I'm lurking on the i3 page. Many reasons - getting older and more "practical", fuel cost savings, etc...

I know its apples and oranges, but any thoughts?
If you think an i3 will be an adequate substitute for an M5 (or any M-car) - you will likely be very disappointed! Tesla Model S will be closer to an M5 EV replacement.

However, if the above describe i3 limitations do not scare you, go take one out for a test drive - you will likely love it !

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I have 700 miles on the car and I'm already seeing the inner tread on the rear tires wearing down fast. I don't doubt they'll be smooth by 1000 miles
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well will monitor ours closely - 10k miles is not a lot from a set of tyres,
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I have 700 miles on the car and I'm already seeing the inner tread on the rear tires wearing down fast. I don't doubt they'll be smooth by 1000 miles
well will monitor ours closely - 10k miles is not a lot from a set of tyres,
Yea talked to the dealer and they said 10k miles is considered the life of these tires. He joked and said their basically donuts and they just don't last.
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What a joke. With the price of gas and the inflated price BMW has on the i3 I can see their second hand price tumbling. Now the i3 tires only last the same as motor bike tires which their is 4 of not 2 the i3 is a black hole to pour money into.
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What a joke. With the price of gas and the inflated price BMW has on the i3 I can see their second hand price tumbling. Now the i3 tires only last the same as motor bike tires which their is 4 of not 2 the i3 is a black hole to pour money into.
Yea it sucks mileage wise, but with the winter tires and summer tires swapping it out every 6 moths technically I can get two years per set.

And considering the tires are fairly cheap the i3 saves me enough in two months for what I was spending on gas to cover a new set so savings from 10 months is still great . Not ideal but not bad! You still come out ahead.

Besides with all the incentives that go on people can get a brand new one for the price of a well optioned Mini Cooper and that ain't to shabby ! Well in the USA anyway, I know different countries have different policies.
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Are there any other brands than Ecopia that makes rear 175/55-20 tires?

The cheapest I'm finding them for is $151 + $16 shipping per tire (USD). After mounting & balancing just the rear tires, that's close to $400 USD every 10k miles.
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Are there any other brands than Ecopia that makes rear 175/55-20 tires?

The cheapest I'm finding them for is $151 + $16 shipping per tire (USD). After mounting & balancing just the rear tires, that's close to $400 USD every 10k miles.
Nope, so far theirs only one brand of tire made for these wheels, and if you have the 20" rims like I do they don't even offer winter tires in that size, so I just ordered the winter tire and wheel Package from BMW for 1400

Now mind you I now have over 11000 miles and still have ok tread on my tires. So results may vary, But if I'd have to guess I'd say around maybe 15k to 18k they will need replacing.

These are the 20" with sport tires.
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Yea it sucks mileage wise, but with the winter tires and summer tires swapping it out every 6 moths technically I can get two years per set.

And considering the tires are fairly cheap the i3 saves me enough in two months for what I was spending on gas to cover a new set so savings from 10 months is still great . Not ideal but not bad! You still come out ahead.

Besides with all the incentives that go on people can get a brand new one for the price of a well optioned Mini Cooper and that ain't to shabby ! Well in the USA anyway, I know different countries have different policies.
Why should tax payers subsidise your car to make it look affordable and why should a company make money due to tax payers subsidising the cost.

Gas price is cheaper than water in America why would you even bother.

What is the true cost of charging the i3 per mile.

Don't get me wrong I planned on buying an i3 but could not make the numbers work. Their's no subsidies in New Zealand and this is the way it should be.

BMW 1 series is half the price and does 40 miles per gallon. It would take an i3 a life time to maybe get the gas saving returned but properly wouldn't as the i3 can only travel short distances before charging is required. Batteries are only warrantied for 8 years how long will these batteries last.

I'm not trying to be a troll over the i3 I'm trying to understand the car and why people purchase the i3.
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Yea talked to the dealer and they said 10k miles is considered the life of these tires. He joked and said their basically donuts and they just don't last.
Your dealer has a sick sense of humor, or enjoys playing on your nerves for no good reason.

I'm now at 9K miles on my OEM set of tires, and they are nowhere near 1/2 worn.
Based on previously documented rate of wear (see my post above), I expect 20-25K miles out of the OEM set. Not great, but not bad at all.

And I am anything but easy on the tires.
The OEM set on my M3 lasted me less than 8K (awesomely enjoyable) miles

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What a joke. With the price of gas and the inflated price BMW has on the i3 I can see their second hand price tumbling. Now the i3 tires only last the same as motor bike tires which their is 4 of not 2 the i3 is a black hole to pour money into.
Sounds like you are extremely unlikely to become an i3 owner.
Why are you even bothering to troll this section of bimmerpost?


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Are there any other brands than Ecopia that makes rear 175/55-20 tires?
Not today.
At least nor according to the TireRack:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/Selec...&autoYear=2015

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The cheapest I'm finding them for is $151 + $16 shipping per tire (USD). After mounting & balancing just the rear tires, that's close to $400 USD every 10k miles.
TireRack lists 19" Ecopias for $132.20 fronts and 143.05 rears. That's $550.50 / set.

That will be by FAR the cheapest set of tires I will have purchased for any of my cars in 20+ years...

And that's every 20-25K miles, not ten.

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I have 700 miles on the car and I'm already seeing the inner tread on the rear tires wearing down fast. I don't doubt they'll be smooth by 1000 miles
If you are noticing abnormal rate of tire wear, go have the dealer re-align the car ASAP. BMW will cover the cost of alignment withing the first 1,000 miles of ownership!

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Yea talked to the dealer and they said 10k miles is considered the life of these tires. He joked and said their basically donuts and they just don't last.
Your dealer has a sick sense of humor, or enjoys playing on your nerves for no good reason.

I'm now at 9K miles on my OEM set of tires, and they are nowhere near 1/2 worn.
Based on previously documented rate of wear (see my post above), I expect 20-25K miles out of the OEM set. Not great, but not bad at all.

And I am anything but easy on the tires.
The OEM set on my M3 lasted me less than 8K (awesomely enjoyable) miles

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What a joke. With the price of gas and the inflated price BMW has on the i3 I can see their second hand price tumbling. Now the i3 tires only last the same as motor bike tires which their is 4 of not 2 the i3 is a black hole to pour money into.
Sounds like you are extremely unlikely to become an i3 owner.
Why are you even bothering to troll this section of bimmerpost?


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Are there any other brands than Ecopia that makes rear 175/55-20 tires?
Not today.
At least nor according to the TireRack:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/Selec...&autoYear=2015

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The cheapest I'm finding them for is $151 + $16 shipping per tire (USD). After mounting & balancing just the rear tires, that's close to $400 USD every 10k miles.
TireRack lists 19" Ecopias for $132.20 fronts and 143.05 rears. That's $550.50 / set.

That will be by FAR the cheapest set of tires I will have purchased for any of my cars in 20+ years...

And that's every 20-25K miles, not ten.

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I have 700 miles on the car and I'm already seeing the inner tread on the rear tires wearing down fast. I don't doubt they'll be smooth by 1000 miles
If you are noticing abnormal rate of tire wear, go have the dealer re-align the car ASAP. BMW will cover the cost of alignment withing the first 1,000 miles of ownership!

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Yea tell me about it! It may be the summer sport tires he was referring to for the shorter life span than the 19" Mines the softer rubber 20" tires so that may be why their not long for this world. I'm at 11k miles and still look good to me but not sure if I can make it to 20k we shall see.
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