[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Kief

I’d take a red one too!

Speaking of red (and I know you don’t care), but Tesla just upped the price $1k…guess Ultra Red is now a no-go if you want the tax credit.

Then again, on the way home from work yesterday, I pass this absolutely stunning IOMG over KO M4 that just had so much presence

Wow. Price changes already. They lowered the white interior option price $500, so my order on day 1 is now $500 higher.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Wow. Price changes already. They lowered the white interior option price $500, so my order on day 1 is now $500 higher.

Yup, and I’m sure of many, many more price adjustments along the way. Blk ext was reduced $500 too, for those interested in black.

White interior is a must with those new seats, but I’m not really feeling Stealth Grey (not sure though). But if you want the tax credit and white interior, then that’s your only option at this point.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Kief

Yup, and I’m sure of many, many more price adjustments along the way. Blk ext was reduced $500 too, for those interested in black.

White interior is a must with those new seats, but I’m not really feeling Stealth Grey (not sure though). But if you want the tax credit and white interior, then that’s your only option at this point.

I went grey / white. Only because it doesn’t show dirt as much or the paint issues

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

I’d argue the cost difference is in good build quality, customer support and much nicer materials. I don’t know who in the world would ever buy an EV in general let alone a BMW EV when they’re currently producing the best engines they ever had and their reliability is stellar now. But to each their own.

I think it's highly likely we've reached peak ICE. If you are a die hard ICE fan, now is actually the time to *buy*, not lease that special ICE. Nobody's developing the next generation of performance ICE. Whatever remaining ICE vehicles are being sold 10 years from now will likely prioritize fuel efficiency and/or range.

Now's the time to buy that valuable performance/luxury ICE vehicle that will be a classic in auctions 30+ years from now!

[Bimmerfun82]

“Tesla just killed the i4 completely. You want less and pay more, you should get the i4.” Ouch. This video summarizes a lot of data out there.

https://youtu.be/_b2j2sEf6-M?si=JzLgTqVadYRSUaj1

[Ossian]

I have to admit, part of me hates Tesla for releasing this car. I don't want to like it, and I'm not sure I will once I get to test drive it, but I feel like it simply can't be ignored at this price point.

I took an I4 M50 on a two hour test drive yesterday and really enjoyed it. The interior is a step down from my G30, but I expected that. It felt good, however, to get back into something a little smaller. The I4 checked most of my boxes for a luxurious enough daily driver with some zip, and I love the utility of the hatch and the familiarity of IDrive. I was impressed with how comfortable and quiet it was at cruise as well, especially after having test-driven the I5 M60 a few days before.

I then went and sat in a RWD 2024 Model 3 and even with the upgrades, I didn't like it. Someone posted a comment on one of the YouTube reviews that I feel sums it up well: Tesla interior is like a mid-divorce apartment -- one empty room with a big TV in it. Yep. Utterly soulless and no trace of driver focus whatsoever -- and why would there be from a company whose ultimate vision is to do away with human drivers entirely? Will the new seats and a bit of carbon fiber in the performance model cabin change my mind? No way. I get that some people either don't care or actually like the Spartan utility of Tesla interiors, but I'm clearly not one of them.

But still, if it drives as well as the early reviews suggest, it is going to be hard for me to justify the loaded I4 I was leaning towards. Really hard. It suddenly feels like the M3P is the only BEV that makes financial sense for enthusiasts looking for electric options who don't want to spend Taycan money. I think this vehicle is going to be one of the most disruptive Teslas yet.

I'm looking forward to the test drive to see if it changes my mind. I am beginning to think it may push me into an M4 Comp for one last ICE hurrah. At least that I wouldn't feel bad about buying outright. These transitional electrification years are making me crazy.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

Nice touches, but would be a tough sale against newly refreshed Tesla 3 performance with a price tag of 57k, 0-60 of 2.9 and range of 300 miles supported by easily accessible charging network.
BMW has to setup its game to be able to compete.

NO Tesla is not a car.

It’s a badly designed appliance with low lifespan

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

“Tesla just killed the i4 completely. You want less and pay more, you should get the i4.” Ouch. This video summarizes a lot of data out there.

https://youtu.be/_b2j2sEf6-M?si=JzLgTqVadYRSUaj1

This isn't saying anything "new". It's not a new secret that you have to pay for a lot of things with German cars that you get standard in other brands - it's been like this for years. People who bought 3 Series when you could have got more car somewhere else will likely still buy a BMW EV over a Tesla. Sure, some might jump ship but that's nothing new even when ICE's were competitive in the 90's/2000's

Why buy a 3er/C-Class/A4 when you could get a lot more with a Honda Accord, Lexus IS or Cadillac ATS? Why buy a 5er/E-Class/A6 and pay for leather and comfort access when you could buy a Lexus ES/LS, Cadillac CTS and get those things standard plus a bunch more?

At the end of the day, Tesla will do whatever Elon decides to do but long-term it's not going to do much to BMW, Mercedes or even Audi because the German 3 are still brands that people strive to own now with ICE and will continue to be an aspirational brand when they fully transition to full EV.

[ghaffari46]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

NO Tesla is not a car.

It’s a badly designed appliance with low lifespan

I’m wondering if you’re information is constructed based on the Tesla ownership or based on what you read on the internet. Millions of Tesla owners know tesla is a “very well” a car for taking them from point A to the point B painlessly. Is it as fun as a M2 (I have both in my garage), probably not. And tesla have much better informatics tha an ix(I have an ix too).
Do yourself a favor and rent a tesla 3 for couple of days. Then you will see why many previous 3 series and c class and E class owners bought teslas over years.
Will tesla gonna keep its position? That depends on what china auto industry will do. We will see if Germans will catch up.
I’m kinda positive about the neue klasse though, BMW has to hurry up, Chinese car are coming soon.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

I’m wondering if you’re information is constructed based on the Tesla ownership or based on what you read on the internet. Millions of Tesla owners know tesla is a “very well” a car for taking them from point A to the point B painlessly. Is it as fun as a M2 (I have both in my garage), probably not. And tesla have much better informatics tha an ix(I have an ix too).
Do yourself a favor and rent a tesla 3 for couple of days. Then you will see why many previous 3 series and c class and E class owners bought teslas over years.
Will tesla gonna keep its position? That depends on what china auto industry will do. We will see if Germans will catch up.
I’m kinda positive about the neue glasses though, BMW has to hurry up, Chinese car are coming soon.

Very kind of you to assume my comment is based on internet reading, they are not. I have driven 1000s of miles in model 3 and model X, borrowed for weeks not rented, and have 10+ unhappy friends in my network.

[jpuffmasterpuffpuffpuff69]

I own an i4 M50 and a Model Y LR with Ohlins suspension. The i4 is twice the car that the Model Y is, but the Model Y is cheap, at least. Tesla isn't luxury. I'm sure people cross shop the Model 3 with the i4, just for size. The new Model 3 Performance sounds like a step up overall versus what it was, but I'd still probably take the i4 M50. I don't need another .4 or whatever to 60 when I want extended thigh support, a hatch, a killer stereo, a HUD, etc. If Tesla offered all that, we'd have a better competition but a closer price. Also, I don't know about the new Model 3, but the old one has crap suspension. It takes a set of Ohlins just to stop it from being scary to drive on country roads.

[ghaffari46]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

Very kind of you to assume my comment is based on internet reading, they are not. I have driven 1000s of miles in model 3 and model X, borrowed for weeks not rented, and have 10+ unhappy friends in my network.

Well, that’s strange that you called Tesla “not a car” and “appliances” and still drove thousands of miles in it.
Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion but trashing one brand will not help our favorite brand(BMW), informed criticism will

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by Brandonbeemer

My Tesla M3 was more like a 'kit' car than my new i4M50. The Tesla was a good commuter but the build quality really was dreadful. Going to the Tesla shop in North Tampa ended my interest in Tesla for ever. The Tesla service was so amazingly bad I vowed never to look at another Tesla.
My BMW only has 2500 miles on it so far - I'm crossing my fingers that it is reliable. The quality of the M50 is as good or better than any BMW or Porsche I've owned and I enjoy my commute quite a lot.
The BMW is $20,000+ more expensive than the Tesla but for myself it is worth the money.

I can’t believe you called a Tesla Model 3 an M3 on a BMW forum.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Brandonbeemer

My Tesla M3 was more like a 'kit' car than my new i4M50. The Tesla was a good commuter but the build quality really was dreadful. Going to the Tesla shop in North Tampa ended my interest in Tesla for ever. The Tesla service was so amazingly bad I vowed never to look at another Tesla.
My BMW only has 2500 miles on it so far - I'm crossing my fingers that it is reliable. The quality of the M50 is as good or better than any BMW or Porsche I've owned and I enjoy my commute quite a lot.
The BMW is $20,000+ more expensive than the Tesla but for myself it is worth the money.

Originally Posted by SportySpice

I can’t believe you called a Tesla Model 3 an M3 on a BMW forum.

Gen 1 model 3 p was truly awful, I agree. Hoping gen 2 is much improved - we’ll see.

You will get censured or banned in Tesla Facebook forums for calling the model 3 perf the M3. It should never happen in Bimmerpost.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Sure, but they’re still way overpriced

One advantage of BMW is that you can compare apples to apples. I spec'ed out the exact same 340iX to my M50 and the M50 came in only $3K more.

For non-EV users that will pay for the difference in less than 2 years in gas savings alone. Electricity is about 1/8 the cost per mile of gasoline. Then it is gravy.

For Tesla owners, stop comparing a luxury brand (BMW) to the Ford of EVs (Tesla) on cost. If you like your basic EV, great!

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

One advantage of BMW is that you can compare apples to apples. I spec'ed out the exact same 340iX to my M50 and the M50 came in only $3K more.

For non-EV users that will pay for the difference in less than 2 years in gas savings alone. Electricity is about 1/8 the cost per mile of gasoline. Then it is gravy.

For Tesla owners, stop comparing a luxury brand (BMW) to the Ford of EVs (Tesla) on cost. If you like your basic EV, great!

I just test drove the model S, and I actually agree with you. I’ve had two teslas - 3 perf and Y, and they are very much economy cars inside. I thought the S would be a nice step up, but it’s not. The X plaid seems nicer and the new S plaid seats may help, but compared to my M3 or X7 the Tesla is much worse inside.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

Well, that’s strange that you called Tesla “not a car” and “appliances” and still drove thousands of miles in it.
Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion but trashing one brand will not help our favorite brand(BMW), informed criticism will

I really like long test drive and trials on appliances.

Quote from a friend who drove a VW e-golf for 5 years, and other sport enthusiast gasoline powered cars. “Model Y is the most boring car I have ever driven, and don’t get me started on the quality issues”. This friend is with a family, not a school kid who loves cars.

Not seeing why calling it an appliance triggered you. Certainly I am entitled to my opinion. And this isn’t a Tesla forum anyway. Peace!

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

I really like long test drive and trials on appliances.

Quote from a friend who drove a VW e-golf for 5 years, and other sport enthusiast gasoline powered cars. “Model Y is the most boring car I have ever driven, and don’t get me started on the quality issues”. This friend is with a family, not a school kid who loves cars.

Not seeing why calling it an appliance triggered you. Certainly I am entitled to my opinion. And this isn’t a Tesla forum anyway. Peace!

I put 13k miles on the model Y (and 17k miles on the Model 3 performance gen 1), and it’s very much an appliance. Simple to operate, fairly one dimensional, and plenty of squeaks, rattles, and shaking.

Just sold the Y and bought the iX. If we didn't have three kids to cart around, the i4M50 is a great car.