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      11-29-2017, 05:14 PM   #67
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You can ride a motorcycle all you want. Putting a helmet on is a simple safety precaution. Risk mitigation. ORM. Common sense. Whatever you want to call it.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand bouncing your head off the asphalt even at 20 mph = vegetable or with a helmet, you get some road rash and walk away. I know too many people who have dumped their bikes because of road debris or other drivers and would be dead if they weren't wearing a helmet. Your skill on a bike only goes so far.

Fortunately most of my friends aren't idiots and practice common sense.
Okay, but motorcycles go faster than 20 MPH. And not to get into the physics much, but crashing at 20 MPH is not the same as hitting your head on the pavement at 20 MPH. The Z-AXIS vector is about the same as falling off your feet.
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Okay, but motorcycles go faster than 20 MPH. And not to get into the physics much, but crashing at 20 MPH is not the same as hitting your head on the pavement at 20 MPH. The Z-AXIS vector is about the same as falling off your feet.
Yeah, I understand physics, thanks for the lesson.

Anything over a certain speed is totally unsurvivable, that's why professional motorcycle racers don't wear helmets either.
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The real question is: who actually is a buyer of i3 in the US? My dealer has a new 2015 in stock!!!!
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Yeah, I understand physics, thanks for the lesson.

Anything over a certain speed is totally unsurvivable, that's why professional motorcycle racers don't wear helmets either.
Same principle applies.

I do remember an incident at the Indy 500 about 10 years ago where one driver was hit in the head by a dislodged wheel. He was hit in the helmet and died anyway.

Football players wear helmets yet they won a lawsuit against the NFL for concussion related illnesses.

Again, my position is regarding street riders and their choice to wear a helmet or not wear a helmet where legally permissible.

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On second thought, not wearing a helmet is a benefit to society!
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      11-30-2017, 02:00 AM   #72
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The love hate relationship with my i3 continues to spiral downward.
The steering on mine has already been repaired multiple times under warranty, plenty of room for safety and durability improvements.
What was wrong with the steering?
I just bought mine CPO a months ago before the recall notice.
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      11-30-2017, 02:04 AM   #73
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Time get a Chevy Bolt with its 238 miles of usable range.
I test drove that car, 238 miles are nice, but the front wheel drive is such a let down!
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The real question is: who actually is a buyer of i3 in the US? My dealer has a new 2015 in stock!!!!
No one. You lease them. You're gonna get hosed buying them. The math is quite simple.
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On second thought, not wearing a helmet is a benefit to society!
I knew you'd eventually come around and see the light

Peace out!
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took my '17 i3Rex in for RTTI software update last week. Clerk mentioned to me about the open Service Bulletins (recalls) for the Frontal Crash and Programming issues.. Programming will be done, but she wasn't sure what/if there is a fix in store yet for the Frontal Crash issue..

should get car back today/tomorrow.
Does anybody know if this RTTI software update only applies to i3's or is it all BMW's. My RTTI isn't working on my 2013 M5, I called BMW Assist and they told me there was a known outage. Now I'm wondering if I need an update or something.
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Nothing in Canada yet and we are on top of this things. Makes me wonder, I mean everyone watched "who killed the Electric car" movie, and it seem like the right time for Tesla as they are going through some production issues.

I'm not the type to believe on conspiracy theory but hey, maybe.
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No one. You lease them. You're gonna get hosed buying them. The math is quite simple.
actually..

after my lease is up I'm really considering paying the residual... this car really has redefined how a car is made and what a car can be.

sounds crazy to most, but we will see in 10years.

I have a 4-series as a loaner while my i3 sits at the dealer.. lets just say the 4-series is boring to drive for my commute. I never have the opportunity to use all that power and 'performance'. And the 'dumbed-down mode' is......... F^@%ing DUMB
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      11-30-2017, 03:23 PM   #79
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actually..

after my lease is up I'm really considering paying the residual... this car really has redefined how a car is made and what a car can be.

sounds crazy to most, but we will see in 10years.

I have a 4-series as a loaner while my i3 sits at the dealer.. lets just say the 4-series is boring to drive for my commute. I never have the opportunity to use all that power and 'performance'. And the 'dumbed-down mode' is......... F^@%ing DUMB

I considered that too. My lease payoff is way above market value right now though. Unless they let me buy the car for market value, I can't justify paying the residual as it is on the lease.
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actually..

after my lease is up I'm really considering paying the residual...
But why? Let the dealer take it back and buy it from them two days later. They'll be happy to do the deal since its BMWFS loss and their sale.

I just ended up leasing a new one for basically the same money.
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Yes, Residual price will be considered at the time.. All payments made, plus residual 'promised' to me is cheaper than 'financing new'.

If buying this 'used' at the time the lease ends is cheaper still, of course I will take that option..
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Has there been any official update on the recall or technical service bulletin ?
My favorite lemon is at the service center for other problems again this week, but they were vague on details when I asked about the recall.
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Received a message from the Service Rep yesterday regarding Frontal Crash recall.. Basically there is no known 'fix' for the issue. BMW is still investigating the issue and there will be an official Recall Notice sent to all owners/leasers. Possibly still a couple months away.
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Same principle applies.

I do remember an incident at the Indy 500 about 10 years ago where one driver was hit in the head by a dislodged wheel. He was hit in the helmet and died anyway.

Football players wear helmets yet they won a lawsuit against the NFL for concussion related illnesses.

Again, my position is regarding street riders and their choice to wear a helmet or not wear a helmet where legally permissible.

Enjoy yourself.
Ohh, that’s a good question...how often do NFL players get new helmets? Motorcycle helmets are supposed to get replaced after even a minor drop. The foam compresses inside and makes them worthless. I’ve been in an accident at 100mph in a bike with helmet, shirt, shorts...skin got shredded but head was fine...had worse damage from flipping my truck at 70mph. It is still all luck as to what your head hits though. I had a friend slide out at 50mph and driver behind him ran over his head. Full face helmet didn’t stop the car from crushing his skull, but that’s no reason for not wearing a helmet. I’d never ride a bike without a full faced helmet...I care about my family
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Ohh, that’s a good question...how often do NFL players get new helmets? Motorcycle helmets are supposed to get replaced after even a minor drop. The foam compresses inside and makes them worthless. I’ve been in an accident at 100mph in a bike with helmet, shirt, shorts...skin got shredded but head was fine...had worse damage from flipping my truck at 70mph. It is still all luck as to what your head hits though. I had a friend slide out at 50mph and driver behind him ran over his head. Full face helmet didn’t stop the car from crushing his skull, but that’s no reason for not wearing a helmet. I’d never ride a bike without a full faced helmet...I care about my family
My discussion with Mr. Jockey is over the concept of a person being allowed to choose whether or not to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle rather than the effectiveness of the device. Just as there is no law mandating motorcyclists wear full leathers so when they crash at 100 MPH their skin stays intact; the motorcyclist has the freedom to choose to wear protective outerwear to save him from, or reduce the severity of road rash.

And BTY I just bought a Shoei RJ this past summer to replace my Shoei RX-1000 and my Shoei Cruz (Shoei doesn't make the half-helmet Cruz anymore). Funny you don't see Police Motorcycle Officers in full face/open face helmets...
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My discussion with Mr. Jockey is over the concept of a person being allowed to choose whether or not to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle rather than the effectiveness of the device. Just as there is no law mandating motorcyclists wear full leathers so when they crash at 100 MPH their skin stays intact; the motorcyclist has the freedom to choose to wear protective outerwear to save him from, or reduce the severity of road rash.

And BTY I just bought a Shoei RJ this past summer to replace my Shoei RX-1000 and my Shoei Cruz (Shoei doesn't make the half-helmet Cruz anymore). Funny you don't see Police Motorcycle Officers in full face/open face helmets...
I then have the right to save you or let you die because you didn't wear a crash helmet.
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I then have the right to save you or let you die because you didn't wear a crash helmet.
Nope you don't have any such rights, nor do you have the responsibility. No one does.
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I was about to pull the trigger on a CPO. I guess I can't even do that until the recall is all figred out.
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