Forum for the entire range of BMW electric vehicles
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW i3 Forums BMW i3 General Discussion

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-22-2017, 04:46 PM   #23
DRTMGRT
Lieutenant
DRTMGRT's Avatar
United_States
329
Rep
503
Posts

Drives: X3M
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: El Paso Texas

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
  [0.00]
  [0.00]
Has anyone been contacted by their CA directly or dealer regarding trading in their i3?

Mine called today, I wonder if this would prevent the i3 from being traded in. I know early on with the takata debacle it didn't allow any trade Ins with defective airbags.
Appreciate 0
      11-22-2017, 06:36 PM   #24
BMWMico
Second Lieutenant
171
Rep
231
Posts

Drives: 2021 X3 30e
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRTMGRT View Post
Has anyone been contacted by their CA directly or dealer regarding trading in their i3?

Mine called today, I wonder if this would prevent the i3 from being traded in. I know early on with the takata debacle it didn't allow any trade Ins with defective airbags.
You could trade a car with Takata recall, and you can trade an i3, the problem is that if the dealer can't resell it right away - it affects the trade-in value.
Appreciate 0
      11-22-2017, 06:41 PM   #25
DRTMGRT
Lieutenant
DRTMGRT's Avatar
United_States
329
Rep
503
Posts

Drives: X3M
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: El Paso Texas

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
  [0.00]
  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWMico View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRTMGRT View Post
Has anyone been contacted by their CA directly or dealer regarding trading in their i3?

Mine called today, I wonder if this would prevent the i3 from being traded in. I know early on with the takata debacle it didn't allow any trade Ins with defective airbags.
You could trade a car with Takata recall, and you can trade an i3, the problem is that if the dealer can't resell it right away - it affects the trade-in value.
Initially when the recall came out I was informed by a BMWNA rep that I couldn't trade, then later was told I could. I traded my X1 for an i3. It still affected my trade in value.

I think more should be done on BMWNA's part for the consumer, to not let the trade be affected. I know the dealer was compensated for the cars they couldn't sell during the takata recall.
Appreciate 0
      11-23-2017, 08:41 AM   #26
afadeev
Colonel
afadeev's Avatar
1163
Rep
2,561
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRTMGRT View Post
Has anyone been contacted by their CA directly or dealer regarding trading in their i3?

Mine called today, I wonder if this would prevent the i3 from being traded in. I know early on with the takata debacle it didn't allow any trade Ins with defective airbags.
If you attempted to trade in your i3, two things will happen:
(1). You will get destroyed on trade-in value, as the market value of used i3s is significantly (read $10+K) below lease return values.
(2). Dealer will not be able to resell the car to anyone else, due to the pending recall that still does NOT have an engineering fix from BMW.

In other words, you will get your face ripped off even if some dealer decided to take your i3 back.
Under all circumstances, other than lease-return. But especially now.


a
__________________
'19 TM3P (BK/BK)
'15 F80 M3 (SO/SS)
ex-'17 I01 i3-BEV (PB/DD), ex-'15 I01 i3-REX, ex-E90, E46, E36's, E30's

Last edited by afadeev; 11-24-2017 at 07:16 AM..
Appreciate 0
      11-23-2017, 10:54 AM   #27
langstro
New Member
5
Rep
18
Posts

Drives: E46 M3
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Southern Maryland

iTrader: (0)

Voluntary? No concern here; my lease expires in August of next year.

Last edited by langstro; 11-23-2017 at 10:56 AM.. Reason: spell check.
Appreciate 0
      11-23-2017, 03:43 PM   #28
jmg
Lieutenant General
jmg's Avatar
18493
Rep
14,085
Posts

Drives: G82 M4C X-Drive
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Orange County, CA

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2022 G82 M4C X-Drive  [9.83]
2018 F80 M3 CS  [9.83]
2019 i3 BEV  [0.00]
I was planning on a new i3 this month or next. Guess that will have to wait. I don't mind too much, it just means I keep my current one longer. The extra range would have been nice. Hopefully this will also lower the price of new ones later.
__________________

2022 G82///M4 Competition X-Drive - KW-HAS, EBC Bluestuff, Millway Race Camber Plates, Cup2 Connect*, PSI High Flow Midpipe, Lightweight Front Lip, M Perf Flow Through Wing
Previous • 2018 F80 ///M3 CS • 2016 F80 ///M3
IG: Raging_G82
Appreciate 0
      11-23-2017, 07:33 PM   #29
drjoe66
Captain
drjoe66's Avatar
United_States
329
Rep
757
Posts

Drives: 2021 M5 & 2019 X3
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Carolinas

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by afadeev View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasH View Post
Is it not a legal requirement to wear seat belts in USA?
Quote:
Originally Posted by drjoe66
And why those idiots not wearing a belt need to be protected makes even less sense....
That's not the point.

Regulations, whatever they may be, are well known and well publicized.
Failing to pass them is a HUGE egg on the face of BMW AG engineers, and a reputation hit to the brand in the US.

Attempting to marginalize the issue by questioning the need to protect un-belted drivers, or focusing that the failed tests apply only to 5th percentile females, or that tests were failed only "marginally" - it's all weak and pathetic.

BMW knew what the test limits were.
BMW failed to engineer a solution to pass them.
They got caught 3+ years into production run, with 30+K vehicles on the road.





a
That's not my point. Did bmw fail, yes. I am just commenting on the idiotic and outdated laws in some states. And on the fact that federal rules should not protect drivers that decide to ignore the obvious, logical thing of wearing a seatbelt or a helmet for that matter. If they want to be free from a seatbelt, be my guest.
__________________
2019 X3
2021 M5 Comp
On order: 2022 X3M40i
Appreciate 2
      11-24-2017, 07:56 AM   #30
Efthreeoh
General
United_States
16948
Rep
18,580
Posts

Drives: The E90 + Z4 Coupe & Z3 R'ster
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bailyhill View Post
Not only this, but you do not need a helmet to ride a motorcycle. It has something to do with the mantra "Live Free or Die". Which is pretty much what those who do not wear seatbelts or helmets get when they are in a serious accident.

Bailyhill
A motorcycle helmet doesn't help prevent concussions above 35 MPH. A person has a right to do with his body what he wants.
__________________
A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
Appreciate 0
      11-24-2017, 01:11 PM   #31
Kiwi
Captain
New Zealand
145
Rep
917
Posts

Drives: 2015 BMW M Sports Convertible
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Auckland New Zealand

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Efthreeoh View Post
A motorcycle helmet doesn't help prevent concussions above 35 MPH. A person has a right to do with his body what he wants.
Not when others have to pick you up or should they check you can pay your bill before they do help you.
__________________
2015 220i M Sport convertible.
2016 225xe M Sport.
Appreciate 1
Jockey3436.00
      11-27-2017, 09:55 AM   #32
AlphaAlpineM6
First Lieutenant
AlphaAlpineM6's Avatar
United_States
33
Rep
380
Posts

Drives: 2014 BMW M6 & 2012 AMG CLS63
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Planet Earth

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by jandref321 View Post
Yep...I sold my wife's car, drove to the dealer, ran numbers, ready to sign, told can't buy i3 till probably summer 2018. I called BMWUSA and they said people under 5'2" and 110lbs will receive marginally more physical damage when not wearing a seatbelt in the i3 than in other vehicles. They are apparently working a fix in Germany which may include replacing either the steering wheel or the entire steering column. They expect parts to start manufacturing in January.

Meanwhile here I am needing a car and the wife only sold hers to buy i3...wtf.
Swapalease.com has plenty
Appreciate 1
jmg18493.00
      11-27-2017, 09:58 AM   #33
beammeupscottie
Major
beammeupscottie's Avatar
No_Country
1060
Rep
1,160
Posts

Drives: 2024 X5 Comp BGM / Sahkir
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Just in. The fix; always wear your seat belt.
Appreciate 1
Taran.J1098.50
      11-27-2017, 10:00 AM   #34
RPiM5
Major General
RPiM5's Avatar
2856
Rep
7,883
Posts

Drives: Mexico Blue F10 M5(Mika)
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Sunny San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jandref321 View Post
Yep...I sold my wife's car, drove to the dealer, ran numbers, ready to sign, told can't buy i3 till probably summer 2018. I called BMWUSA and they said people under 5'2" and 110lbs will receive marginally more physical damage when not wearing a seatbelt in the i3 than in other vehicles. They are apparently working a fix in Germany which may include replacing either the steering wheel or the entire steering column. They expect parts to start manufacturing in January.

Meanwhile here I am needing a car and the wife only sold hers to buy i3...wtf.
Time get a Chevy Bolt with its 238 miles of usable range.
__________________


Appreciate 0
      11-27-2017, 10:24 AM   #35
ted99
Lieutenant
United_States
242
Rep
535
Posts

Drives: former i3>330e, 528i>X5>530e
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Houston, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jandref321 View Post
I said the exact same thing...and yes it is illegal not to wear your seatbelt. They said that NHSTA has a specific threshold for non belted accidents also. We ended up leasing a 330e since the wife needed a car...still good rebates on those...though 14 mile EV range is much less than 114 mile range. M-sport 3 series looks better though
I stupidly bought my 2014 i3. Traded it for a 330e lease six months ago. Took a huge bath , and probably nothing compared to what I would take today. The 330e has a MUCH better ride over downtown Houston's pothole derby. I charge after each trip and almost never have to go on petrol power, since it's an in-town car. But, I have the option to drive to Austin, San Antonio, etc without thinking about it, if I need to use the 330e. My takeaway: DO NOT PURCHASE ANY BMW "e" car. LEASE.
Appreciate 1
      11-27-2017, 10:28 AM   #36
nozydog
Driver
nozydog's Avatar
United Kingdom
465
Rep
1,002
Posts

Drives: 2020 X2 M35i
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Bristol

iTrader: (0)

Is this for real: 'there is a possibility of injury to a small person in front seat in a front collision without a seatbelt'

Surely there is a possibility of injury or even DEATH to ANYONE travelling in the front seat without a seatbelt FFS!!!
Appreciate 0
      11-27-2017, 11:19 AM   #37
Yeru
Second Lieutenant
Yeru's Avatar
United_States
211
Rep
239
Posts

Drives: 2013 IB E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JasH View Post
Is it not a legal requirement to wear seat belts in USA?
A possible scenario I suppose is sitting in a parked vehicle without engaging the seat belt and experiencing a full frontal crash by another vehicle in motion.
__________________
'13 E92 M3 ZCP | Interlagos Blue | 6MT | Speed Cloth | Stripper | MPE | 65K miles
'07 E90 335i | Sonora Metallic | 6MT | Premium | N54 Perf Power Kit | Perf Suspension | 18" BMW MotorSport Wheels | 90K miles/145K Km
Appreciate 0
      11-27-2017, 11:26 AM   #38
Jockey
Brigadier General
Jockey's Avatar
3436
Rep
4,979
Posts

Drives: 992 C4S
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Park City, UT

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Efthreeoh View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by bailyhill View Post
Not only this, but you do not need a helmet to ride a motorcycle. It has something to do with the mantra "Live Free or Die". Which is pretty much what those who do not wear seatbelts or helmets get when they are in a serious accident.

Bailyhill
A motorcycle helmet doesn't help prevent concussions above 35 MPH. A person has a right to do with his body what he wants.
Cool, then we should have the right to leave you by the side of the road dying and not try to resuscitate because you don't even have the basic common sense to even attempt the easiest of motor vehicle safety precautions.

But we don't do that because we live in a civilized society and have to even keep the idiots alive. And the rest of us pay for it.
Appreciate 2
Patrik158.00
      11-27-2017, 11:41 AM   #39
ron_jeremy
Captain
ron_jeremy's Avatar
Norway
513
Rep
985
Posts

Drives: 13' F25 X3 20d & 16' i3
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Norway

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by afadeev View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRTMGRT View Post
Has anyone been contacted by their CA directly or dealer regarding trading in their i3?

Mine called today, I wonder if this would prevent the i3 from being traded in. I know early on with the takata debacle it didn't allow any trade Ins with defective airbags.
If you attempted to trade in your i3, two things will happen:
(1). You will get destroyed on trade-in value, as the market value of used i3s is significantly (read $10+K) below lease return values.
(2). Dealer will not be able to resell the car to anyone else, due to the pending recall that still does NOT have an engineering fix from BMW.

In other words, you will get your face ripped off even if some dealer decided to take your i3 back.
Under all circumstances, other than lease-return. But especially now.


a
Well, here (Norway) it's the opposite. EV are taking about half the fall usual ICE have. I have a 8% on all new BMW. A bunch of my colleagues bought their new i3 last year, sell theirs one year later and Breaks even. Some even in +. Besides the bolt have enjoyed a 15% increase price. As of now, i3 is a great car, but i'm hearing a new more Powerful Samsung battery coming next July.
__________________
3 series: E30: 89 325i, E36: 92 325iC, 94 320iC, 96 320i Convertible, 94 320iaC, E46: 99 320ia, E90: 06 318i Le mans, E91: 07 318dt
5 series: E39: 97 520ia, 01 530Dat, E61: 09 520Dat
X series: E83 05 X3 2.0d, E84 10' X1 2.0 X-drive DA, F25 13' 2.0da X-drive.
Appreciate 0
      11-27-2017, 11:49 AM   #40
Germanauto
Major General
Germanauto's Avatar
United_States
9666
Rep
6,075
Posts

Drives: Alfa Romeo Giulia, Rosso
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (0)

Sad for all 5 of the potential i3 customers.
Appreciate 1
Efthreeoh16947.50
      11-27-2017, 12:00 PM   #41
Habber
Lieutenant Colonel
Habber's Avatar
Canada
3393
Rep
1,973
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 2024 Brooklyn Grey SOLD
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Canada

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
  [9.83]
Quote:
Originally Posted by drjoe66 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasH View Post
Is it not a legal requirement to wear seat belts in USA?
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasH View Post
Is it not a legal requirement to wear seat belts in USA?
New Hampshire, believe it or not, has no seatbelt law. And even worse, the cars still need to be designed for people not wearing seatbelts. Why anybody would not wear a seatbelt is beyond my comprehension. And why those idiots not wearing a belt need to be protected makes even less sense....
The no helmet law is even worse for motorbikes.
Appreciate 0
      11-27-2017, 12:19 PM   #42
Scottiedog
Captain
243
Rep
710
Posts

Drives: 435d GC
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Southampton

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by drjoe66 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasH View Post
Is it not a legal requirement to wear seat belts in USA?
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasH View Post
Is it not a legal requirement to wear seat belts in USA?
New Hampshire, believe it or not, has no seatbelt law. And even worse, the cars still need to be designed for people not wearing seatbelts. Why anybody would not wear a seatbelt is beyond my comprehension. And why those idiots not wearing a belt need to be protected makes even less sense....
Servival of the fittest I say
Appreciate 0
      11-27-2017, 12:53 PM   #43
///Mposter
Macgyver
///Mposter's Avatar
United_States
207
Rep
942
Posts

Drives: 2007 e92 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Greensboring

iTrader: (0)

Couldn't the quick fix be an I-drive notification to wear your seatbelt? If not accepted then the car can't be put into drive?

It's about as useless as the other notifications to not text while driving or use the navigation while driving, but somehow releases the MFG from legal issues.
__________________
GTX3076R , ADV, JB4, FMIC, BOV, 17"APEX, 255/40/17 SQ, 6-SPD Manual
Appreciate 0
      11-27-2017, 01:10 PM   #44
baldyloxx
Private First Class
155
Rep
100
Posts

Drives: i3Rex
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: OC

iTrader: (0)

took my '17 i3Rex in for RTTI software update last week. Clerk mentioned to me about the open Service Bulletins (recalls) for the Frontal Crash and Programming issues.. Programming will be done, but she wasn't sure what/if there is a fix in store yet for the Frontal Crash issue..

should get car back today/tomorrow.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:11 PM.




bmw
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST