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If it gets thumbs up from Ed Begley Jr., hundreds of thousands will be sold! Maybe they could get Al Gore as their spokesmodel!
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07-22-2013, 01:34 PM | #24 |
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After the $7.5k(?) government subsidization, that really isn't that bad of a price. The X1 s28i and the 128i will just barely be cheaper.
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07-22-2013, 02:09 PM | #26 |
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So the 40k pricing is before the 7.5k gov and 2.5k CA incentives right?
So you can basically get a bare bones i3 for like 30k or and options out one for 35-38k in CA? Could be worse
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07-22-2013, 06:59 PM | #28 |
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Although I appreciate the technology behind the i3, I'm not sure how well a car that looks like the automotive equivalent of an Earth Shoe will move out the door. Like one poster said, "progressive" locations such as Hollywood and San Francisco will eat them up. Many of the potential customers may be car haters who will consider the oddball styling to be a plus.
I know that form follows function, but BMW could have made the i3 much more attractive without much effort. It costs just as much to make an ugly car as it does to make one that's attractive, so the price will limit it to those who will pony up $42k plus options minus incentives who don't mind the styling. I like the concept of a plug in runabout for weekday commuting, but can't get past the cost for such an unattractive package.
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07-22-2013, 10:54 PM | #29 |
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You obviously have never driven one. The current LEAF goes 0-60 in ~9.8 seconds. I've driven plenty of them and 10 seconds to 60 seems about right. It is pretty quick to 30mph though, but falls off quickly from there.
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07-23-2013, 12:12 AM | #30 |
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You assumed incorrectly. I have driven many, and know all to well about such conflicting data. It is Ford that has the time you are referring to. |
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07-23-2013, 01:17 AM | #31 |
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Usually German cars in the US cost alot less than in Germany itself, how did we get to $41k in the US and E34k in Deutschland?
34k is too expensive as well!!
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07-23-2013, 11:24 AM | #34 | |
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Metallic or multicoat 0.8k or 1.5k all glass panoramic 1.5k 21" wheels 4.5k perf pack 6.5k tech package 3.8k sound package 1k twin chargers (to get max charge time) 1.5k that is 107k to 108k right there. These are the ones that are currently EVERYWHERE in california. Add tax and that is close to 125k. |
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07-23-2013, 12:29 PM | #35 | |
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Nissan LEAF 0-60 time: Edmunds: 10.2 seconds Car and driver: 10.0 seconds Car Magazine: 11.9 seconds Motor Trend: 9.7 seconds http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/leaf/2013/ http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...13-CAR-review/
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07-23-2013, 01:28 PM | #38 | |
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Further, this is absolutely about fleet averages and providing urban drivers a high mileage platform to allow for the less efficient cars that continue to sell in large volumes, ie the M cars and larger motored versions of every other platform. RWD dynamics aren't all about burnouts, simple things like steering feel, lack of understeer and braking control are greatly benefited by rwd and just don't feel the same in a car with 65% or more of the weight over the front and power and steering going through the front wheels. I have a three mile commute, so something that requires very little charging is appealing. I sold my M Coupe because it never saw coolant temp, much less oil temp on my commute. However I do make occasional road trips, so the range extender makes perfect sense and the driving dynamics of even a golf cart are more enjoyable than a Prius. Remember, we're talking about a daily driver, not a sports car. My situation is likely very different than yours, so while I may like it, and you may hate it, neither side is necessarily more correct than the other. |
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Also if you want to save the planet. Quit being lazy and use a bike for your 3 mile commute. |
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I do ride a bike, thanks for bringing that up, I'm at about 4k miles this year and have driven roughly the same. I have a puppy that goes to "daycare" though and I need to use a car for that. I drove a Smart For4 (terrible thing) from Frankfurt to Prague, so long drives in somewhat inappropriate cars aren't something I'm scared of. I drive to Austin from Dallas frequently, roughly the same drive I used to make from Laguna Beach to San Diego. It's right outside of the range of the i3, but with the range extender, it's no problem. Austin is littered with charging stations. If my daily drivers consumes no gas, doesn't suffer from my short commute and looks like an i3 (which isn't a compliment), I have no problem parking a fun weekend car in the garage and not overly concerning myself with the gas it may burn on the weekends. |
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07-23-2013, 02:39 PM | #41 | |
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The driving experience of an EV is preferred by many that have driven them. Plus a lot of people don't want to continue to send their money overseas, some of which ends up in the hands of radical regimes that hate the West. People like the idea of fueling their car with energy they capture from the sun on their roof and others just hate buying gas. There are a lot of reasons to want to drive electric, tree hugging included I guess.
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07-23-2013, 02:42 PM | #44 |
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I know the temptation to compare the i3 to a LEAF is there because both cars are electric but they are vastly different vehicles. I don't see too many discussions comparing a 335i to a Camry or Altima. That's really what we are talking about here.
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