[Hansn]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Well, there are always anomalies.
You should definitely get the Tesla, if you're not sophisticated enough to appreciate the differences. Kinda like me, buying clothing. I can get Polo over Armani, because I'm not sophisticated enough to appreciate the difference when it comes to clothing.

The list of differences you wrote above is so off, that it's laughable. It's not just seats and HUD. 'Premium' class of vehicles are more customizable, and they've always been that way. Less options and less customizability are characteristic of low-tier brands like Nissan, Toyota, Tesla, Hyundai, Honda.

i4 has 9 different seat options, M3P has 2
i4 has 4 wheels options, M3P has 1.
i4 has 9 colors options, M3P has 4.
i4 has HUD, ventilated seat option, air suspension, M3P doesn't.
i4 is $75K Tesla is $50K.

Tesla Model 3 is a lower class model. It's cheaper, less customizable, using low-tier materials and the build quality is some of the worst in the entire car market. Definitely worst than Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc.
Not just Model 3, but Tesla overall is a lower class brand. That's why they can't sell much of Model S and Model X cars anymore, now that Mercedes, BMW, Audi are involved. Because low-tier brands can't sell expensive cars.(Model X is selling less than EQE and iX, and I'm pretty sure i5 will be selling more than Model S when numbers come out.)

Thias is not very surprising considering Tesla fans were comparing Model S to i7 and EQS back in the day. LOL.

I have to correct those numbers to what is available in EU since its an european car.

Interior is 18 different colors/leathers, 23 if you include optional extended leather as an option.

8 wheel options not counting new LCI options or M performance aftermarket that can be fitted by dealer pre delivery.

12 exterior colors, not counting the new LCI colors.

And i will add 7 interior trims to the list.


Except carbon buckets, and msport seats in merino leather you can have the i4 look exactly like an M4 inside.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Hansn

I have to correct those numbers to what is available in EU since its an european car.

Interior is 18 different colors/leathers, 23 if you include optional extended leather as an option.

8 wheel options not counting new LCI options or M performance aftermarket that can be fitted by dealer pre delivery.

12 exterior colors, not counting the new LCI colors.

And i will add 7 interior trims to the list.


Except carbon buckets, and msport seats in merino leather you can have the i4 look exactly like an M4 inside.

Lack of merino on a $75k BMW is enough to make me go with the M3. I had vernasca on the Z4, and it’s disappointing.

Having options is a huge plus but doesn’t erase the 1000 lbs weight disadvantage to the model 3 performance. And I still believe they’re in the same class

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

But, the autopilot did not disengage. The driver stated he was looking at his phone for a while. The car hit the motorcycle, still did not disengage. Then proceeded to run over the person afterwards.

There is no ring of truth to the story and just because they say that and try to blame somebody else is ridiculous they need to own their own shit. The guy fucked up and he killed the motorcyclist. They’re just trying to blame the car and when the investigation is done you’ll see it was the drivers fault and not Tesla’s

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

There is no ring of truth to the story and just because they say that they try to blame somebody else they need to own their own shit. The guy fucked up and he killed the motorcyclist. They’re just trying to blame the car and when the investigations done you’ll see it was the drivers fault and not Tesla’s

Yes. Didn’t this same exact thing happen recently? Someone lied, and Tesla disproved it. It’s happened a number of times.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

There is no ring of truth to the story and just because they say that they try to blame somebody else they need to own their own shit. The guy fucked up and he killed the motorcyclist. They’re just trying to blame the car and when the investigations done you’ll see it was the drivers fault and not Tesla’s

Yes, he was an idiot. The Tesla should have braked with the initial hit. Tesla will have deeper pockets for a lawsuit, but their software isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. It happened maybe 12 miles from where I live. I doubt it will get national coverage. It won’t even get posted on Reddit because the mods remove everything negative. You can like a car but not drink the Elon Kool-Aid.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Yes. Didn’t this same exact thing happen recently? Someone lied, and Tesla disproved it. It’s happened a number of times.

Yes, indeed, and Tesla has footage of the driver. They have footage of everything that happened and they know exactly what was going on. They know if the drivers hands were on the wheel they can do an internal investigation and also NTSB will do theirs and this will come out in the wash just like a red sock always does.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

Yes, he was an idiot. The Tesla should have braked with the initial hit. Tesla will have deeper pockets for a lawsuit, but their software isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. It happened maybe 12 miles from where I live. I doubt it will get national coverage. It won’t even get posted on Reddit because the mods remove everything negative. You can like a car but not drink the Elon Kool-Aid.

Just because you have a different opinion than I do, doesn’t mean that I drink anybody’s Kool-Aid. Maybe you should stop smoking that heavy Indica strain and switch to something more 50-50.

[ghaffari46]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

I disagree, I think these cars are well-positioned to a higher income customer that likes the bmw brand

I know very wealthy people who drive teslas. Harder working, Higher income people are usually have more appreciation for the money and so far tesla 3, especially this new performance 3 with that acceleration, great software, great range and reliable charging network has to offer a lot.
And don’t forget, Tesla 3 is a fun car to drive.
I love my M2, but my office parking lot used to be full of 3 series and Mercs, and now mostly Teslas.
Market will talk.

[Kennethjk]

Forgetting pure acceleration, haw do the 2 cars compare in handling. Year ago when I test drove the Tesla S,Myles it was fast but only so- so handling. I am sure they have improved but how much?

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Just because you have a different opinion than I do, doesn’t mean that I drink anybody’s Kool-Aid. Maybe you should stop smoking that heavy Indica strain and switch to something more 50-50.

I didn’t say you did, I said the mods in Reddit. There is a good subreddit called RealTesla. Every member has been banned from the Tesla Lounge and other subreddits because they actually write about their Tesla owner experience, including all the bad stuff. When you try and control the narrative and hide negativity, then you have definitely drank the KoolAid. I’m a mod on i5 Talk and encourage people to post their problems.

[ST3]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

I know very wealthy people who drive teslas. Harder working, Higher income people are usually have more appreciation for the money and so far tesla 3, especially this new performance 3 with that acceleration, great software, great range and reliable charging network has to offer a lot.
And don’t forget, Tesla 3 is a fun car to drive.
I love my M2, but my office parking lot used to be full of 3 series and Mercs, and now mostly Teslas.
Market will talk.

There are many considerations and with that many demographics. Let’s get more data vs. pointing toward income levels or a set of companies / industries = your company’s parking lot. Also, don’t forget the cross section of those who have an appreciation for quality, performance(straight line, handing, etc). With my limited data and research I believe the enthusiast community is decreasing rapidly. This supports your “market will talk”.

[Hansn]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Lack of merino on a $75k BMW is enough to make me go with the M3. I had vernasca on the Z4, and it’s disappointing.

Having options is a huge plus but doesn’t erase the 1000 lbs weight disadvantage to the model 3 performance. And I still believe they’re in the same class

You can have merino on the i4. Even in the US. But not on the msport seats, but i know those are not available at all in the US/American market.

I would agree that they are in the same class, but not on the same level. Maybe segment would be a better word? Im not too familiar with car models in the US. But if you categorize cars from size i would say they are in the same segment. EVs made it very easy to just add a buch of power to any model. I think thats why people confuse alot about cars in the same segment at different levels of refinement that can be fast or slow.

In EU we had premium cars fitted with smaller engines being most common forever. I think it may be easier to spot the difference if the engine is not the absolute benchmark as to what kind of car it is. Nobody ever compared low cost asian cars with higher hp to a german premium brand just because you only get the 2l engine with 150hp in the german car at the same pricepoint. I think thats where this discussion is loosing direction.

At the end of the day Tesla is making a good car, but they are not even trying to be premium in any way. And that puts it in a different category by default when a person is looking to buy a premium car. What Tesla is doing is making the best possible car to fit different segments while strictly maintaining focus on keeping costs down. They are not letting any extra customization or options get in the way of holding costs down.

[Kief]

I’m a huge BMW fanboi, but I’m likely going to order a new Model 3 Performance this summer for delivery in October when I need to replace my 2023 Audi RS etron GT. I was really hoping for more performance from the LCI i4 M50 to get me back into one (I guess I’ll have to wait until MY2025), but I’m just concerned it really isn’t that much different than my 2023 i4 M50 that I had for 8mos before getting into the crazy Audi deal. I must admit however, that blue paint on the M440i is calling my name…what color is that??

Honestly, I was hoping to extend my RS lease for up to the 6mos limit Audi allows, to buy more time figuring out my next car move and to potentially get better deals on something at the end of the year, but I come to find out that the monthly payment on the Audi would be based not just on my one-payment divided by 12 (which is what I was figuring) but my one-payment plus the rebates I received divided by 12…which comes out to $3600+ per month!!!! Yeah, ok Audi, enjoy the car back, and good luck selling it at the residual!!

That said, if Audi were to offer those insane deals again this summer, I would totally jump on another one for 12 more months. I would love a white or Suzuka grey over full red leather, with 21”!

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Hansn

You can have merino on the i4. Even in the US. But not on the msport seats, but i know those are not available at all in the US/American market.

Merino isn't available here in the US on the i4. Did you just make that up?

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Kief

I’m a huge BMW fanboi, but I’m likely going to order a new Model 3 Performance this summer

Good idea. The lease on the Model 3 performance is $570/mo with $3k down for 10k miles and 36 months. It's almost cheaper than my gas+electric bills!

[drexplode]

Originally Posted by Kief

I’m a huge BMW fanboi, but I’m likely going to order a new Model 3 Performance this summer for delivery in October when I need to replace my 2023 Audi RS etron GT. I was really hoping for more performance from the LCI i4 M50 to get me back into one (I guess I’ll have to wait until MY2025), but I’m just concerned it really isn’t that much different than my 2023 i4 M50 that I had for 8mos before getting into the crazy Audi deal. I must admit however, that blue paint on the M440i is calling my name…what color is that??

Honestly, I was hoping to extend my RS lease for up to the 6mos limit Audi allows, to buy more time figuring out my next car move and to potentially get better deals on something at the end of the year, but I come to find out that the monthly payment on the Audi would be based not just on my one-payment divided by 12 (which is what I was figuring) but my one-payment plus the rebates I received divided by 12…which comes out to $3600+ per month!!!! Yeah, ok Audi, enjoy the car back, and good luck selling it at the residual!!

That said, if Audi were to offer those insane deals again this summer, I would totally jump on another one for 12 more months. I would love a white or Suzuka grey over full red leather, with 21”!

No one cares about your Raudi E-tron Honkey Tonk. but let me know if you find a sweet deal in red

<dont flame just having fun with my dear friend chief kief>

[Technic]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Merino isn't available here in the US on the i4. Did you just make that up?

Merino is available in the USA thru Individual -2024 i4 M50:

[Chloros]

Originally Posted by ST3

There are many considerations and with that many demographics. Let’s get more data vs. pointing toward income levels or a set of companies / industries = your company’s parking lot. Also, don’t forget the cross section of those who have an appreciation for quality, performance(straight line, handing, etc). With my limited data and research I believe the enthusiast community is decreasing rapidly. This supports your “market will talk”.

Here is South OC is filled with Teslas.....the zip codes here speak for themselves in regards to wealth. Smart people with money tend to buy better value items. I know more people in Santa Ana who drive M3's and AMG's than i do than my town in Irvine. Weird.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Technic

Merino is available in the USA thru Individual -2024 i4 M50:

How much is individual? Assume this delays the delivery for several weeks

[Technic]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

How much is individual? Assume this delays the delivery for several weeks

$4300 MSRP.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Technic

$4300 MSRP.

Good to know, thanks.

This pushes into M3 and model S territory ($80k). Tough sell.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by drexplode

No one cares about your Raudi E-tron Honkey Tonk. but let me know if you find a sweet deal in red

<dont flame just having fun with my dear friend chief kief>

I’d take a red one too!

Speaking of red (and I know you don’t care), but Tesla just upped the price $1k…guess Ultra Red is now a no-go if you want the tax credit.

Then again, on the way home from work yesterday, I pass this absolutely stunning IOMG over KO M4 that just had so much presence