[JK479]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

You don’t have to drive an EV. It’s that simple.

Your posts are quite sensationalistic.

Luis Luis! Thank you, I am sensational!

[JK479]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

Start? EVs with a practical range have been around for over 10 years. There is no mystery to EV ownership, even in cold climates. 90% of new cars sold in Norway are EVs and they have an arguably cold climate. They have no issues like we have in the US and don't sensationalize every little stupid thing in the media like we do over here.

Lol! Most haven’t had an EV yet. Most of my friends haven’t driven an all electric EV.

I feel like you need to reframe how you’re looking at this.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Toyota could have squashed Tesla, but instead they never made any commitment to EVs. Honda is in the same boat. And both of them were hit the hardest by Tesla’s growth, but it didn’t seem to matter. BMW’s share price is up 7% in 10 years while Toyota’s doubled. Honda is down 4%. I think Toyota will be a successful later mover into EV, possibly by acquisition or move to solid state batteries, if such a thing will be possible.

https://time.com/collection/time-co2...ev-transition/

Both Toyota and Honda will catch up and quickly. And they know how to run automotive companies. It’s why I think Tesla is going to suffer mid- to long-term.

[javapro]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

I just bought one a few weeks ago (24MY) and received 2 years capped at 2000 kWh. I’ve already used 10%.

The problem with road tripping is the cost - $0.48 per kWh here. We don’t road trip with the car, but if we did I’d save the free kWh for it.

I’ve never heard of 2,000 kWh free EA charging cap in the US. It’s either free for two years for pre-MY25 or capped at 1,000 kWh for MY25.

[javapro]

Originally Posted by JK479

No- EA only offers 19 locations for free charging. But as someone pointed out 2025 models aren’t free anymore.

Any EA charger can be used to get free charging! MY25 is free as well - it’s just that instead of a 2 year cap, you now get 1,000 kWh cap.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by javapro

I’ve never heard of 2,000 kWh free EA charging cap in the US. It’s either free for two years for pre-MY25 or capped at 1,000 kWh for MY25.

Thanks! Could have sworn I read about this cap in the fine print, but now I don’t see it… good news

[JK479]

Originally Posted by javapro

Any EA charger can be used to get free charging! MY25 is free as well - it’s just that instead of a 2 year cap, you now get 1,000 kWh cap.

What does that translate in terms of full charging? Like 100? What is the capacity of the battery again?

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by JK479

What does that translate in terms of full charging? Like 100? What is the capacity of the battery again?

the battery has about 105kWh usable, so, you get a little under 10 full charges. A huge difference with the previous program for sure but better than... checks notes.... the nothing we get in some other countries like Canada.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by JK479

What does that translate in terms of full charging? Like 100? What is the capacity of the battery again?

~105kWh. But you pretty much never go from 0-100% on a DCFC. At least not if you're optimizing for your time or battery health. Most of my DCFC sessions add between 35kWh to 65kWh but on a L2 EVSE (home, hotel, work, etc.) I will charge deeper.

If you want to think about this in terms of a gas car, it might be easier to think about 1,000 kWh being equal to roughly 3,000 miles of free charging. Possibly more if you drive carefully or less if you're using your free credits during colder weather.

Either way, this is not a bad direction. I know folks get lots of value out of the unlimited 30minute charging for two years but it also drives bad behavior where people become over reliant on public charging rather than installing a L2 charger. I also understand there are those who don't have the ability to install a L2 charger at home. But in the end, this approach will reduce congestion at public DCFC's in metropolitan areas because people like me are taking advantage of free public charging even when they really don't need to use the public charging infrastructure unless they're far from home on a road trip.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by JK479

What does that translate in terms of full charging? Like 100? What is the capacity of the battery again?

Originally Posted by ggalanis

the battery has about 105kWh usable, so, you get a little under 10 full charges. A huge difference with the previous program for sure but better than... checks notes.... the nothing we get in some other countries like Canada.

For US at least this is a big reason to get a 24MY. Bigger discounts too. Get ‘em while they last! I’ve already used 200 kWh of free charging in 3 weeks.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

the battery has about 105kWh usable, so, you get a little under 10 full charges. A huge difference with the previous program for sure but better than... checks notes.... the nothing we get in some other countries like Canada.

Lol!

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by Pictor

~105kWh. But you pretty much never go from 0-100% on a DCFC. At least not if you're optimizing for your time or battery health. Most of my DCFC sessions add between 35kWh to 65kWh but on a L2 EVSE (home, hotel, work, etc.) I will charge deeper.

If you want to think about this in terms of a gas car, it might be easier to think about 1,000 kWh being equal to roughly 3,000 miles of free charging. Possibly more if you drive carefully or less if you're using your free credits during colder weather.

Either way, this is not a bad direction. I know folks get lots of value out of the unlimited 30minute charging for two years but it also drives bad behavior where people become over reliant on public charging rather than installing a L2 charger. I also understand there are those who don't have the ability to install a L2 charger at home. But in the end, this approach will reduce congestion at public DCFC's in metropolitan areas because people like me are taking advantage of free public charging even when they really don't need to use the public charging infrastructure unless they're far from home on a road trip.

This was done to save BMW money…nothing more. Candidly I can understand why BMW might dial back the benefit, but it seems that they’ve reduced the value to little more than a token offering. Better than nothing I guess.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Toyota could have squashed Tesla, but instead they never made any commitment to EVs. Honda is in the same boat. And both of them were hit the hardest by Tesla’s growth, but it didn’t seem to matter. BMW’s share price is up 7% in 10 years while Toyota’s doubled. Honda is down 4%. I think Toyota will be a successful later mover into EV, possibly by acquisition or move to solid state batteries, if such a thing will be possible.

https://time.com/collection/time-co2...ev-transition/

Tesla and Toyota...
Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread...

[Bmwno6]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

This was done to save BMW money…nothing more. Candidly I can understand why BMW might dial back the benefit, but it seems that they’ve reduced the value to little more than a token offering. Better than nothing I guess.

For me once the free charging ends in about a year, the difference between charging at home and EA fast chargers will be significant. $0.15/kwh at home vs $0.56/kwr at fast chargers. It is almost the same cost per mile with my X5 using premium gas.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Bmwno6

For me once the free charging ends in about a year, the difference between charging at home and EA fast chargers will be significant. $0.15/kwh at home vs $0.56/kwr at fast chargers. It is almost the same cost per mile with my X5 using premium gas.

Exactly. EA is too pricey. It’s $0.48 here v $0.14 at home.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by Bmwno6

For me once the free charging ends in about a year, the difference between charging at home and EA fast chargers will be significant. $0.15/kwh at home vs $0.56/kwr at fast chargers. It is almost the same cost per mile with my X5 using premium gas.

Even with Pass+ ?

I’m okay paying a premium for a full 500A working HPC IF it’s reliable and readily accessible. But I like to L2 at home or at hotels or AirBnB.

[Bimmerfun82]

Article posits board dysfunction

-Musk poaching key Tesla employees for other of his companies or pet projects outside of Tesla while on Tesla payroll
-Board members pressured to do illegal drugs with Musk
-Mismanagement of Tesla while absorbed in Twitter/X
-62% drop in stock price

https://apple.news/Aj9lXY4z0RAOZJEMipqoGcA

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Bmwno6

For me once the free charging ends in about a year, the difference between charging at home and EA fast chargers will be significant. $0.15/kwh at home vs $0.56/kwr at fast chargers. It is almost the same cost per mile with my X5 using premium gas.

That’s the point. DC fast chargers should not be cheap. EV drivers should be encouraged to charge at home/on slower chargers. Plus, slower charge rates are better for the grid and the car.

Funny though: my home rate is $.31/kwh and Pass+ is $.48/kwh. It’s not as big a differential as most.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

That’s the point. DC fast chargers should not be cheap. EV drivers should be encouraged to charge at home/on slower chargers. Plus, slower charge rates are better for the grid and the car.

Funny though: my home rate is $.31/kwh and Pass+ is $.48/kwh. It’s not as big a differential as most.

What’s the monthly subscription for pass+ and let’s say you do 200 kWh a month, what’s the average per kWh for the subscription?

Here it’s .14 v .48 - disagree about fast charging being 3-4x the home charging cost. These ea were funded (by the VW diesel gate?), and they are extorting people on a commodity

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

What’s the monthly subscription for pass+ and let’s say you do 200 kWh a month, what’s the average per kWh for the subscription?

Here it’s .14 v .48 - disagree about fast charging being 3-4x the home charging cost. These ea were funded (by the VW diesel gate?), and they are extorting people on a commodity

I’m saying it’s a market price…what people are willing to pay. If one doesn’t like it, charge at home.

Plus, it helps reduce demand which in turn frees up space for those who most need it.

I have no problem with the market pricing luxuries like super fast charging appropriately.

Talk to me when the utility starts gouging.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

I’m saying it’s a market price…what people are willing to pay. If one doesn’t like it, charge at home.

Plus, it helps reduce demand which in turn frees up space for those who most need it.

I have no problem with the market pricing luxuries like super fast charging appropriately.

Talk to me when the utility starts gouging.

Utilities can’t gouge by law, so why should EA especially when it’s such a limited thing with poor uptime? The problem is there’s no competition. Until Tesla’s superchargers open up, that is. And that lack of competition is what should cause the government to mandate the gouging. It’s similar to a monopoly. Thankfully for me it’s free due to a promotion, but for those who are paying these ridiculous prices … it’s not appropriate by EA.