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They absolutely do have EVs that people want to buy, no question. I just prefer something that looks good, handles, good QC and has range. There isn't a full EV that does all that. Tesla Roadster? Pure vapour - go out and buy one...oh sorry, you can't and nobody knows when it will actually be available. I hope they do make it, make it work properly, and handle and not have QC problems (I'd buy one over a BMW no problem). But it is simply disingenuous to say BMW are being left behind by a fictitious car and battery tech that doesn't exist yet. Apart from the styling, the Tesla Roadster is everything to everybody - on paper - but it can't be in real life because current battery tech and the laws of physics/chemistry mean that the batteries are too heavy, they suffer when charged quickly, they suffer when discharged quickly doing silly 0-60 times etc...
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Agreed. What we are really seeing here is the difference in corporate 'styles': Elon loves to spill the beans on his future visions. He has to to get venture capital. BMW, in contrast, is conservative and secretive.
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You can say the batteries are much too heavy - it doesn't matter... You can nit pick all you want - it doesn't matter... What DOES matter is that Tesla is killing BMW EV sales in a very effective manner. Tesla is building cars that people want. BMW, by quantitative comparison, is clearly losing this battle. There is no denying the numbers. You can argue about this and that but it really doesn't matter... You can think its just not right, but it really doesn't matter... The 2017 world sales (Jan-Nov) has Tesla selling over 40,812 Models and X/S/3's to BMW's 6,012 i3/i8's. That's called "losing" in anyone's book. Its quite obvious the Tesla ***IS*** building more of the EV's that the world wants than BMW. The sales numbers clearly indicate this: https://insideevs.com/november-2017-...s-report-card/ I'm happy to own both, but there is no question which one will be my daily driver and goto EV for everything but summer jaunts with the top down.
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I'm not sure that "we know" the Tesla Roadster will "smoke" the i8 in every category. One-off 0-60 time for sure. But handling? Weight? Range? Price? Actual performance on the road? I don't expect to see Teslas on the racing circuit anytime soon. And who knows what the i8 or its equivalent will be like in three years...
In regard to sales, apples to oranges -- the i3 and i8 are specialty cars with CFP etc., not a reasonable comparison to family sedan, SUV, ... lineup sales. I hope I'm wrong; I have a sizable chunk of Tesla stock. It has done much better than my BMW stock over the past three years...
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The i8 and the Model S are both current models in production. Why would you expect that consumers would NOT compare them? More folks are clearly opting to buy the Model S than the i8 though...
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https://www.carthrottle.com/post/ele...-racing-beast/ You BMW Fanboys really need to pull your head out and take a look around...
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It gets very tiring that every single i8 thread that goes to the front page always results in a comparison to Tesla, whether it's the yet to be seen Roadster or the 4-door Model S sedan.
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If you're tired of reading about the inevitable comparisons then maybe BMW should actually make an EV which is competitive with these products. Hell, for a daily driver, even the new Chevy BOLT is easily outselling the well established i3...
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I'm a car lover. I don't care who makes em! I own both Tesla and BMW vehicles. I have a model X and I've got an i8 Roadster on paid reservation. But they are both very different cars. I'm lucky enough to be able to have both of them. But if I could only have one, there is absolutely no hesitation to say it would be the ModelX... I really wish BMW would make a more useful EV. I would buy it in a heartbeat. But right now they are falling way behind competitively in this market...
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Um, this is the i8 forum, right?
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...and the i8 uses a battery to propel the front wheels and a mid-mount ICE to propel the rear wheels. It has more in common with a Porsche 918 than any Tesla.
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Aston Martin sells cars that do zero to 60 in the mid and/or upper four seconds. Yet no one complains about Aston like they do the i8. Yet the I8 is cheaper, more efficient, quicker, more stylistic than most Aston Martins.
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Even with the proposed roadster, I personally wasn't drawn to the design (although the hypothetical stats do look good on paper). |
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Tesla has been existing for 5 minutes and BMW for 80 years or so? Let's just give this comparison the benefit of time. I sincerly hoep that the former is still around in 2022.
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It looks like the new i8 has a smoother front hood with raised shutters for the air flow up through the electric motor, as opposed to the existing design, which had that hole in the black part of the hood.
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https://electrek.co/2017/11/28/tesla...-crash-delays/ It will be interesting to see how the E cars eventually catch up to petrol and hybrid cars on circuits like the 'ring. My money is on BMW to have a quicker E car than Tesla.
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