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      07-21-2014, 06:39 PM   #1
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Carum Spice leather delays to 1Q15!!!

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Just heard some disturbing info. NOT GOOD! Appears there's a Carum Spice leather supplier delay and it will really upset over 150 early Pure Impulse 2014 orders and the 2014 and early 2015 deliveries.

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      07-21-2014, 07:15 PM   #2
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That would be pretty much every car ordered for MY2014, would it not?

Maybe they will magically update the Pure Impulse package to include whichever leather is available?

Or hey they can work on the display key (my only real disappointment with the i8) while they wait for the supplier to, well, supply?

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      07-21-2014, 07:30 PM   #3
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First 163 Carum Spice/Pure Impulse orders must either accept change to (brownish) Tera World interior pkg for 2014 delivery or defer their orders to 1Q15 as 2015 cars. Dealers to call those affected.
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      07-21-2014, 08:01 PM   #4
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The production status number says mine is in production with an estimated completion date of Aug 14th. Here's hoping it made the cut.
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I'd change mine from Pure Impulse to Tera in a heartbeat, since the Tera World was my first preference anyway. I wonder if this situation is responsible for the long projected completion date of my car (forecast to be Aug. 12). I just sent my dealer an email to see if he can confirm the info, and hopefully get mine changed back to the Tera World I originally wanted. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Maybe that's why my order has been slipping. First week 32 now week 36.
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      07-21-2014, 08:57 PM   #7
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Also, how many dealers are just going to throw their hands up and pass on a $140k car sale because the first person on the list doesn't want a brown interior? I see them offering other colors with pure impulse before pushing whatever portion of the "90% of orders" they were expecting to take pure impulse (grey) nto next year...which would effectively shut down i8 production (brown is not a "hot" interior color for sports cars, no offense drlonline, to each his own).

Here's to high hopes that this is a hoax or that my car made it into production before they ran out...either one is good for me.

DENIAL!

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      07-21-2014, 09:05 PM   #8
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Carac, no offense taken. I just happen to think the Dalbergia brown is the best match for the Crystal White Pearl exterior I'm getting. I would have taken the Carum Spice, but think the brown provides a better contrast to the white exterior.

I must say having a web blog sure comes in handy at times like this, so we can all collectively share what we are hearing about the car whether it be good, bad or otherwise.

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      07-21-2014, 09:25 PM   #9
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That's also a REALLY weird way to announce this. Did you mean the "last" 163, StuM? "The first 163" is odd and specific. Does that mean if my order was 164th that I shouldn't worry...wouldn't one of the first 163 people changing their order mean I become the 163rd Carum spice order? Is that implying they only have 163 Tera interior sets available for builds...period? This implies that a MAXIMUM of 163 MY2014 US-spec i8s will be produced if every single order changed to Tera, less if people hold out for grey). It would make a lot more sense if the statement was the last 163 Pure Impulse orders in this round of allocations will need to choose or that a problem with the supplier means that only 163 Pure Impulse Carum Spice orders will be fulfilled (also explaining how some cars are in production) and all others need to change.

Basically it's much easier for me to wrap my head around the idea that they know how many CAN build (original order minus 163), not how many they CAN'T (i.e. the exact moment the supply constraint will end...order #163). In simpler terms, the leather supplier told them "we're going to be 163 sets short of your original order" rather than "as soon as you make 163 i8's we'll can start fulfilling grey leather orders." I think they would also open up the Giga interiors (which are available in other countries) if a supply constrain meant US i8 production would be reduced to 163 (the MAX number if ALL of the first orders went Tera) this year.

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      07-22-2014, 08:34 AM   #10
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BMW uses on demand supply chain management. They do not stock any parts. All parts from all suppliers are ordered and delivered in exact quantities for current production, and even in the same order (I.e., if 2 cars on the assembly line will have black, then silver seats, then the 2 sets of seats come off the supply truck as black, then silver, in that order and quantity). This way they stock nothing, no need to store anything, etc. It is highly efficient but susceptible to this kind of shortage issue which would cause production delays and shuffling.

So it's possible the supplier has informed BMW that at a certain point in time, for a specific duration, they will not be able to deliver Carum Spice Grey leather seats and other interior pieces, and that timeframe coincides with 163 planned allocation build slots for the i8. So those allocations either have to use a different supply chain (Tera World) or be pushed back until the supply is available again. Rather than pushing all allocations, they are saying they will just move those affected backwards, produce less 2014 i8s and more 2015 i8s, depending on what people choose who are affected.

This is my rudimentary understanding
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      07-22-2014, 09:07 AM   #11
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I understand they don't stockpile parts for builds that might be months away or in colors people may not order, but we're talking about cars that are two-three weeks away from completion and this was, for all intents and purposes, the only color available so I would hope they had the foresight to wait until all the parts were in house before starting a build, otherwise you would be pulling half finished cars off the line and storing them. That's why I hope this is either a bad joke or he got some info wrong because it would be extra cruel to end up postponing the launch of a vehicle 6 months from your original announcement (early spring), then restricting the color/package you can order to a single "choice", then telling me "your car is in production with a scheduled completion date in three weeks", followed by "whoops, you have to pick an even worse interior, brown, or wait another 6+ months." At which point I'm sure most dealers will move on to the next person in line when you decline Tera, and who knows when the next allocation will be in 2015. Like wandering in the desert, thinking you found the edge and the worst is over, then finding it you're still in the middle of the desert.

StuM's post is still the first and only source of this info, so I hope he's wrong about some part of it or they just open up Giga orders to keep production flowing.

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      07-22-2014, 10:17 AM   #12
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It's no rumor, I have seen the bulletin from BMNA. All USA 163 cars for this year will be ZTW, Tera World. if refused by customer goes to dealer 2014 allocation.
Pure Impulse ZPW will be Q1 2015 cars and if Priority 1 and named customer will be built then.
I confirmed with my dealer acceptance of ZTW package 2014 model year, build week 32.
Saved $7,000 !!!!!!!!

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I doubt that cars would be put on the assembly line not knowing if all parts will become available; that would indeed be nuts. I think most likely scenario, cars already in production are going to make it. They should in fact know exactly how many Pure Impulse cars they can build before having to stop and/or take Tera/Giga orders instead.

The parts may not be in-house but I do believe that they would not start a particular car without 100% knowing all parts will be available for that car in the supply chain.

Unless someone screwed up really, really bad, the scenario you are describing should never happen.

@Arezzo -
Ok thanks for confirming.

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Really though... Wow. Just wow. And, I still don't understand why only one world for all 2014 orders? Back in Russia, we didn't have choices, it was bread, or no bread... That's why we left!!!

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Just got an email back from my guy saying he hasn't seen anything, but who knows if it's trickled down the chain to him. Here's hoping being in-production means this will pass over mine. I knew that not all 350-ish BMW dealers were getting an i8 the first year and I know a few larger volume dealers were talking about 4-5 cars before Dec...so even 163 seems a little low.

Again, the i8 launch is ending up to be as unconventional and mysterious as the car itself.
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Just got an email back from my guy saying he hasn't seen anything, but who knows if it's trickled down the chain to him. Here's hoping being in-production means this will pass over mine. I knew that not all 350-ish BMW dealers were getting an i8 the first year and I know a few larger volume dealers were talking about 4-5 cars before Dec...so even 163 seems a little low.

Again, the i8 launch is ending up to be as unconventional and mysterious as the car itself.
I am told no US customer cars are yet built, all 163 for 2014 will be Tera World according to BMWNA Sales center i8 team bulletin. No Giga, no Pure Impulse. I do not think yours is in production since the earliest USA production week is week 31 (July 28 ) I may be wrong but that is how it is represented to me.
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I am told no US customer cars are yet built, all 163 for 2014 will be Tera World according to BMWNA Sales center i8 team bulletin. No Giga, no Pure Impulse. I do not think yours is in production since the earliest USA production week is week 31 (July 28 ) I may be wrong but that is how it is represented to me.
The "production week" in the system is the "Date of Completion" according to the customer relations I spoke to this morning. Production on an i8 begins 4 weeks before it's completion date. It's why my production week was 33 (Aug 10th to 17th) and now my date of completion is Aug 14th (during week 33). Which means cars that had week 31 should have "Dates of Completion" during that week. In theory, that means week 31 cars should be nearing the end of production right now. In theory. What a s@#!-show

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It gets worse !
ZTW Tera World may not come with 4AA Anthracite headliner !
I am taking whatever car they give me in August production and specifying a 2015 for March delivery to my original specs.
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In other news, 2014 i8 orders will only have one door.
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In other news, 2014 i8 orders will only have one door.
Bracing myself for that one.

This whole thing is crazy.

Imagine going to one of the newest, most highly praised restaurants in the world, being told your reservation is for 12pm.

Waiting 2-3 hours past your reservation (because you traveled a long way and everything you've heard make it sound like it's to die for).

Now you're starving.

You are seated 3 hours late. Only then do you learn what's on the menu because it's been a secret with rumors until that point. But you have a good idea what you're favorite will be based on the menu of this restaurant in other countries.

Then you're told your favorite item is on the menu is unavailable. In fact, the only thing available now is something much more expensive which you will eat but would really rather have your first choice. Also, in another hour or two a second item will become available but you REALLY don't want to eat that one.

They tell you your food is cooking.

While waiting you keep hearing food critics talking about how amazing the food is

Then they come back and tell you the second choice you had no choice but to order (which they said was cooking) is not available but the 3rd dish you REALLY don't want is now your only choice...

and they don't care if you leave because someone right behind you will take your table and scarf it down...but you have to go back to the waiting area and wait at least 6 hours to maybe have another table where you can order the second choice you were told was cooking at one point...

and there's a chance the best item on the menu will be available by then...but probably not.

You probably wouldn't be a happy customer.

The i8 ordering experience if this turns out to be true.

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It gets worse !
ZTW Tera World may not come with 4AA Anthracite headliner !
I am taking whatever car they give me in August production and specifying a 2015 for March delivery to my original specs.
dealer confirmed no anthracite headliner on 2014 tera world
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Alright, until I see a BMWNA PDF bulletin I'm chalking this up to some coordinated trolling. I'm not saying it can't be true, just that it would be past the point of ridiculous and my sales guy says he doesn't see anything in the system about a delay, Tera-only, or that anthracite is unavailable...because at that point, why would you even launch the car rather than delay it a month or two like they do with every other model when there's a supply problem?

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Carac,
I am really amazed you think I am trolling. It's BMW i8 Configuration update. Bulletin V-10721-01EV from Jacob Herb. Manager BMW i

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