04-19-2017, 07:33 AM | #23 |
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A 218d has longer range, more space and cost less than an M6 Gran Coupe. How about that?
My i3 have more range than I need, more space than I need and it costs very little for me to have thanks to our tax laws. Bolt? It's not even for sale here but as I never considered an Opel before, why should I now? I use my EV to get to work. I don't need more range and cheaper materials. ps. The i3 IS fun to drive. In the city. That's where it belongs. |
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04-19-2017, 08:35 AM | #24 | ||
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As I said before those differ from my own wants and doesn't make the car better in any way it's their opinion of why it's better and since that opinion aligns with yours you take it as fact . I'll take a small better crafted interior over A bigger shit interior and that's a fact, so if I design a turd and give it 3 times the milage it's better? Don't think so I'll take a car with half the milage if I think it's designed better and fits what I want because at the end of the day I buy what I want not what a magazine said is better. Also GM can't make a quality interior to save their lives.... every GM interior I've been in I can't wait to get out of it! I feel like I'm getting cancer from the fumes! I buy cars off an emotional response not data so throwing someone's "data" at me isn't going to amount to anything. . I can go all day so you can spout all the info and data you can throw at me and it won't budge my opinion that the bolt sucks and can just suck it. Don't get me started on the looks of the bolt. |
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04-19-2017, 12:08 PM | #25 | |
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So by your thought process, every car sucks unless someone likes it and meets their requirements. Ah huh, okay, good logic there. So in racing, if the BMW M4 wins the manufacturer's championship, it really didn't win if it's not important to you that winning the most races counts as winning. The effects of participation trophies are better understood as you kids grow up and become pajama boys. |
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04-19-2017, 12:48 PM | #26 | ||
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GM makes cheap interiors, overall cheap cars even Cadillacs. They used to be a mark but have fallen to the masses and shareholders and now make junk. That's my opinion and sticking to it! Take your GM love elsewhere you won't find any from me! I have my reasons. Your the silly one being on a BMW I3 forum spouting how great the bolt is and expect everyone to just agree with you because it's better because of range and bigger interior data data blah blah !!!! Well not everyone agrees and everyone has a different like and dislike and level of what's important that's why people all drive different cars. I will never buy a bolt and have never even looked at it's data sheet, i just won't ever buy one. Same reason why I won't buy IKEA or Chinese fake furniture it's crap. Your welcome to love it, by all means but I don't have to and never will. Go ahead and make all the generalizations you want that's your right and rate the populous off the few posts that where made and have fun it's the Internet and a forum and you would not know if all this was just me playing with you or not. Silly silly silly....... |
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I'm not sure how you thought I was trying to convince you to buy a Bolt. You turned it into a personal issue; I was merely presenting technical information to counter BMW's claim that its i3 is the ultimate EV machine. You took it personal, which is unfortunate.
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04-20-2017, 09:24 AM | #28 | ||
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And I'm ok with that don't need someone to tell me why I should like something. I also played way to harsh myself, normally I'm open to things but lately theirs been so much being beaten over my head I snapped ! Hugs.. Theirs nothing wrong with not liking something though. I hate sushi, never tried it just know I won't like it because I can't get past eating raw uncooked meat even if it's totally safe. But that's my life and am totally fine with missing out. |
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04-21-2017, 05:16 AM | #29 |
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"Launched in 2014, the born electric BMW i3 represents a new era of electro mobility offering a visionary design, a ground-breaking vehicle architecture, dynamic performance and innovative connectivity. No other car represents such a holistic approach to sustainability throughout the value chain."
Nothing in this statement is true.
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You're right, two things are true in that statement:
(1) The i3 was released in 2014 (2) The i3 was born an electric vehicle The rest of the statement is untrue hype.
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04-21-2017, 08:52 PM | #32 | |
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If you don't have anything constructive to add other than offering 1000 ways why you hate this car then it's falling on def ears. It's cutting edge for me in many ways still in the fact of how it's built and what it's created from in an affordable way. The batteries are also very interesting when you read up on them, not so cut and dry. The factory in which it's created is also very very interesting and BMW invested billions to make it one of if not the cleanest most efficient car factory in the world. So I have awarded their efforts by buying their car. It wasn't an afterthought and took over 10 years of R&D with the minis and 1 series to make something truly new and different. Their research showed most don't drive over 80 miles a day especially where the i3 is intended, the fact is people want ICE sort of range regardless so their slowly getting their. And it sells quite well in other parts of the world where the range is less of an issue. America is still to big and spaced apart for low milage EV's to work unless the car is used in the inner city like it was designed for but in some cases even our cities don't have the EV infrastructure to work well. Now I'm in Chicago so EV's are very well taken care of. To this day it's like nothing else on the road and Still feel like I'm driving a concept car. So for me it's a stellar and very interesting EV. Will I buy another ? When I'm ready for the I8 absolutely ! |
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I don't know if you intend to come through as a BMW i3 hater (or Bolt lover?), but this is hardly the place to find support for such a view point. For obvious reasons. So allow me to repeat the question <remlemasi> raised: why are you still posting on this forum? a
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Answer is obvious. He is a troll. About the Bolt, might be good, might be bad. All I can say is it is not here to try or buy, but based on previous experience of US cars, it's likely to be substandard. |
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However, I also view the i3 as a milestone car in terms of design, manufacturing and sustainability. The way this car is built is literally like no other. It's also rear-wheel drive, which is a near-requirement for all my cars. I love the dynamics of RWD and really dislike FWD handling. I'm looking forward to tech developed for the i3 and i8 to trickle down into the rest of the BMW range (and eventually to the rest of the auto market), which has already started with the new 7 Series and all ePerformance models. That is the primary goal of the BMW i. Research and design of novel technologies that are not 100% mature, but allow consumers to directly experience them and help fund future development.
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Several of us from the BMW i3 SoCal Facebook group meet up this past weekend at the Petersen Automotive Museum in LA. One of the members brought his new Bolt. Really neat.
This photo is kind of hilarious / timely in the context of the thread 1 Bolt vs 6 i3 at the line of scrimmage.
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Having said that, $20k off i3 is no chump change, and is mainly paid by government, so what the heck, why not? |
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08-19-2017, 08:04 PM | #41 |
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The Bolt is more efficient based on passenger volume and vehicle weight. I've driven both. The Bolt handles as well if not better than the i3. They are the same kind of car - same class range, same MSRP, same tax credit.
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The Bolt is the best car in the world! Happy now?
Nothing beats the Bolt...at anything. The Bolt is bigly good, really good....other cars are just fake news...bad...really bad....trust me. Believe me, the Bolt is gonna make GM great again....bigly great |
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Nope, not now; I've been happy for quite some time.
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