11-17-2017, 01:09 AM | #1 |
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Tesla had an unveiling last night that showcased their new Roadster slated for year 2020 production.
https://www.tesla.com/roadster/ This pretty much puts the i8 (and most other supercars/hypercars) to shame. What's everyone else's thoughts? Last edited by vance; 11-17-2017 at 07:56 AM.. |
11-17-2017, 04:09 AM | #2 |
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It’s still a Tesla ... ;-)
IMHO, all Tesla does is milk the superior power delivery of an electric motor over a combustion engine. That’s it. Nothing else to it. Pure electric grunt aside, I still don’t think they’re very good cars overall. Because they’re not made by a car company. Tesla can get there, no doubt. But it’s getting harder as the big boys are waking up. I wouldn’t put money on the expectation that Tesla will be the only ones with those type of performance figures in 4-5 years’ time. And they have to be able to make it, first. They‘re still a company that makes cars in very small numbers. What they produce in a month, VW or Toyota build in a day and a half. Tesla is finding out the hard way how difficult it is to put up a large-scale, smooth-running car production, incl. supply chain etc. And then they want to keep adding models, like this Roadster and the truck. They’re adding complexity before having gotten their current three-model line-up sorted. And Elon Musk is already showing signs of burn-out. All that said, I sure would like to test one - must be quite exciting. Those are performance numbers of serious sports bikes. |
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11-17-2017, 07:34 AM | #3 |
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the point of this car is to raise $50k deposit for each car.
They need huge amounts of cash in the short term to survive. Business plan was to shift 10,000 model 3 per week. They are only building 45... |
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11-17-2017, 08:09 AM | #4 |
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After experiencing a 720s I have zero desire to experience acceleration like that. I don't need to feel like I'm going to die every time I drive my car.
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yeah but it looks like shit
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He also seems to be very good at announcing new concept vehicles to deflect attention away from delays and missed targets (the Model 3 in this instance)!!! |
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I would have to agree with the statement about raising cash with the deposits. I think that Tesla is counting on future battery technology that doesn’t exist right now to make this car happen. The Battery in the model S weights 1200 pounds and range averages around 270 miles. To go twice as far and three times faster I think right now is a stretch. It appears that the prototype really does do 0-60 in 1.9 seconds but I doubt that the range is there yet.
I still don’t see the fascination with Tesla in the first place. I’ve driven their cars and find them to be really nothing special. Just big heavy 5000 pound tubs with a whole bunch of batteries in the floor. |
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Tesla can't continue to bleed cash and it can't make Model 3s fast or well enough to make a profit on them. It will become a takeover target for what is essentially its low tech battery system by 2019. I'm guessing Hyundai-Kia or Mazda will try to buy it. Ford and GM are developing their own electrics in the U.S. and all of the European makes are moving ahead as well in house.
I suspect Mazda will win out and eventually make trucks and luxury sedans with Tesla's assets and manufacturing facilities. The Model 3 is as dead as a door knob but no one wants to admit it. When they do admit it, Tesla is gone as a viable standalone car company.
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11-18-2017, 01:55 AM | #10 |
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Also worth adding that Tesla's interior quality is somewhat questionable and their QA is appalling. A friend of mind recently purchased a Model X and the inconsistency with the gaps around the doors/panels was shocking...
As soon as Porsche's Mission E (due in 2019), BMW's iNext (~2020) and other truly premium manufacturers launch their all-electric offerings, I can't see why anyone in their right mind would even consider a Tesla with its inferior build quality and high price point. |
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11-18-2017, 01:53 PM | #12 |
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I don't believe the claimed figures for a second.
Even assuming battery tech reaches the required levels by 2020, the car will only achieve such acceleration in some sort of "unusable" ludicrous type mode i.e. a limited number of times and doing great damage to the batteries etc. Just like current Ludicrous mode. And it will be so heavy it will still handle like a barge and not go around corners. |
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Has there actually been any sort of evidence or proof that using Ludicrous or Ludicrous Plus modes actually degrades the battery or any components of the car over time? I haven't seen any reports of that personally
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11-19-2017, 06:04 AM | #14 |
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Sounds like they're banking on future tech here, it's simply not possible with current batteries, the weight, the damage from discharging so quickly etc as people have pointed out above.
The other thing is how to put that much power on the road and keep low rolling resistance to maintain the range at 620 miles (EVs have skinny tyres for a reason - even the i8) 250 mph top speed - great idea and achievable with batteries/motors no doubt even ignoring the huge discharge. However, the aerodynamics come into play massively at these speeds, cars like the Veyron have incredible features to enable them to go that fast and stay on the road, variable spoilers, special tyres and aero tweaks all over the body - that Tesla just don't look like it's designed to go that fast. Just for the record, I love the ideas of Musk like EVs, landing rockets etc. and believe it will happen but this is just headline grabbing nonsense.
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Rimac Concept 1 is an electric roadster with over 1,000 hp, and it’s numbers don’t even come close to what Tesla is alleging. One wonders how accurate Tesla’s claims are.
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why would you need to replace the battery after 50 uses if each use didnt do any damage to the battery? |
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The guy that runs Tesla Racing Channel on YouTube has a Model S P100D, he gutted the interior, and drag races it on a daily basis. I've never once heard him mentioning have to replace his battery. He probably uses Ludicrous Plus mode 10-20 times in a day.
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Actually there has been A TON of love for Tesla in these forums in the past. It seemed like nearly anyone posting had a deposit on the model 3 and was ready to leave BMW. - oh wait .. model 3 still isn't being delivered ... hmm yes.. might be those same folks ..
How many deposits have they collected for the model 3... ? It was supposed to just slay every other vehicle on the market because Tesla was going to inmediately be able to produce hundreds of thousands of them .. |
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I read that the $35,000 Model 3 is currently being sold in the $60,000 range. Is that true? If so, Musk has learned a thing or two from BMW and Mercedes. But it doesn't bode well for buyers with $35,000 in hand.
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The Roadster could be revolutionary if it came out today. However highly unlikely that it would produce those accel stats in the prototype configuration otherwise they would have done some actual demonstration.
Likely they are hoping for battery tech to evolve so that by the launch date in 2020 (which will also be delayed given their history) this accel might be possible. You can come close today for less money so the Roadster is not really a big deal. My 991 Turbo S with a couple bolt ons does mid-high 9's at 144. 0-60 in low 2's. On street tires. It makes a 720S seem slow. My buddy's 991 with similar mods but better rear tires drove a couple hundred miles to MIR and did 10 passes all at 9.6 seconds at 144-147 mph. Here's my 991 in action at NoFlyZone this month and pictures from Shift Sector in October where the 720S declined to race me unfortunately since he knew the outcome already.
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