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I seem to be reading a lot of the same complaints and hopes for improvement on here that I personally have.
More powerful battery. If this was Tesla, they would take advantage of that and extract more HP from the motor. BMW say's acceleration is subjectively "virtually the same." So with the heavier battery, this car is actually slower now??? This is like BMW doing the LCI on the 335i to a 340i, and saying the gas tank is bigger, but the car is slower. And without the usual improvements/addition of front LED turn signals, DRL design, tail lights, front bumper, etc. The i3 gets none of this?? And instead of more HP of the 340i vs the 335i, the i3 gets worse performance AND efficiency? I would gladly have traded in a little range if the bigger battery provided more acceleration. Or a dual motor M-Sport version. Why should the i3 be one of the slowest BMW's out there? The average V6 Camry/Accord will beat the i3 in the 0-60 run. If the i3 can't compete with the other 200 mile BEVs on range coming out next year, then at least elevate its BMW dynamics and acceleration to a higher class. As it is now, the BOLT is suppose to run around 7 seconds flat, and the model 3 will beat that. If the BMW was faster/sportier, at least some people would still be in the market for it. There are more people looking for a good looking, longer range, quick accelerating BEV, than those that are interested in having a car because it is one of the most efficient, sustainable BEVs you can buy. The car is also long overdue on the following: Improving the cheap/simple ATARI quality drivers instrument cluster to match the look/design of the tech-package I-drive screen, etc. The door/dash panel material (Kenef?), is the subject of many complaints from the general target market. People believe a car of this price should wow them with technology, performance, and luxury. You get in a 6 series GC, and the interior design, and materials exudes luxury. The i3 on the other hand looks like the door panels are turned inside out. With the unfinished side showing. A waterproof FRUNK, with more usable storage area. Expanded rear cargo storage area for the BEV, that has extra space when not equipped the gas range extender. Ability to see ambient temp, odometer, MPGe on the driver's cluster without having to be distracted with toggling to find the information you seek. Quicker throttle response off the line, Even compared to a LEAF with its instant throttle response, the i3 is very muted. I like performance, and the i3 is exciting to drive, but I just with it had a little more. And after 50mph, the i3 acceleration is much worse than the Mercedes B class BEV. The Merc weighs 1000lbs more, only has a few more HP, and yet traps around 6mph faster in the qtr mile! BMW Marketing/Engineers, are you listening???? Please, offer these improvements soon if you want buyers to be interested in the i3 still. Don't let the 200 mile BOLT be just as quick as the i3 for less money.
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I really don't get why they need to desperately try to sell this car as "sporty". I could understand it with the i8, which at least looks like a sports car even if it doesn't drive like one.
But the i3? That is just laughable. Yes of course, the instant torque of the electric engine obviously gives you good acceleration figures under certain circumstances, but WTF has this to do with being "sporty"? Maybe the next step is putting an "M" badge on it, just to underline the marketing efforts. And yeah, 114 miles (and 4h charging) still means you can't use it as an only car and it will be limited to upper-class urban hipsters that use it as a third car for city trips. Very sustainable that is...and I'm not even mentioning the electricity it consumes coming from anything but sustainable sources. To me the whole electric-only car stuff is an aberration invented by goodie-goodies with no thought for the daily practicalities most people who need a car are actually faced with.
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Many multi-car families can use an EV on a daily basis without any charging headaches. All that is needed to fit this model is for one of the drivers to have a daily need that can be satisfied by the EV. My wife and I have been using a Chevy Volt as our daily driver since 2012 and we run it almost exclusively on battery. Our daily driving requirements are relatively small. We just plug it in overnight when we get home. Some folks might also plug it in when they get to work. When we need to make a longer trip, we will use a different vehicle with an ICE. But the EV is the one that works for us as a daily driver. Daily driver - just plug it in when we get home. With 200+ mile ranges in many (non-BMW) EV's, that model is now encompassing more and more families. Lots of folks are comparing the i3 to the more expensive Tesla line. But please believe me when I say the i3 would not be a trade up from a simple Chevy Volt in ANY category... And I can drive the Volt from Coast-to-Coast just stopping for GAS if I wanted to...
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We have the i3 which is perfect for own daily use. QUICK and easy and cheap to run. It might not look "good" but it is very fun & functional. Paired with our X3 we have a great combination, so no I would not drive the i3 across Europe (yet) but it works for us now. If you dont like it then fine, and if you want to wait for the next Tesla great - but you are missing out on a gem of a car.
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Comparing Tesla to BMW's EV range is growing harder by the minute. Tesla has just lost lost two heads of production and is seemingly plagued by issues that creates delays.
We all agree BMW's i program has a lot to improve on, but will get better in time. It's like me having the schematics for a time machine and having no ability to produce one. I like that tesla's tenacity is driving the competition. From the looks of it, they are in desperate need for a partner. |
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That is a really stupid comment. You don't know me at all, how would you have any idea which cars I've owned or driven?
I have had both the i8 and the i3 for a week-end, so yes I do know them. Even if I didn't, I am entitled to my opinion just like you are. So stop being patronising to people you have no clue about. That was exactly my point. Many people - at least where I live - can't afford more than one car in a family. Of those who do, many commute quite a bit and even if they have two cars need both to be entirely usable. That is not the case for any EV due to the lack of infrastructure and the length of time it takes to charge one when it's empty. Plus they are exponentially more expensive than a fuel-based vehicle, and that's even without speaking about depreciation and long-term technical reliability, which is entirely unknown. And yeah, getting an EV for your ecological conscience is just as stupid as long as the electricity it uses comes from fossile fuels. So no, I'm not convinced at all. Right now an EV is something for people with more money than brains and the need for green posturing. Quote:
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I use 100% solar power and no fossil fuels, I'm a car guy with many fun cars in the garage so green was not on my list when buying! Saying more money than brains is kind of rude, I bought this car because it was cool and the use of materials was interesting and different not to mention the car will never rust and me being in the rust belt that was important. Just like you said everyone has an opinion so don't go all negative and wrap us car guys and stuff as greenies and all the other negative stuff you said, Where all here to have fun man! We're enthusiast's. Don't let others negativity get to you. You can be constructive without having to wrap us all into a demographic. . |
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I did stomp on it. Not bad at low speeds, but no thump at freeway speeds.
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I will look again at this new 2017 i3.
All EV cars and trucks will be allowed in all bus lanes as well restricted bus only lanes and car poll lanes with only the driver required soon.Next they will allow free parking in the CBD as New Zealand only has 1,000 odd EV cars and the government want 65,000 by 2021. It will not happen unless the prices drop or a lot of second hand Ev's come in from Japan. |
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1. I charge my EV overnioght so charging time is NOT an issue. My point exactly... 2. I didn't get an EV for my "ecological Conscience". Thanks for assuming that though. I got an EV for the fun of of it and the associated independence from big oil companies. 3. My home electricity doesn't come from from fossil fules. Again, thanks for assuming that. Fact is you can basically run your EV on whatever upstream energy source that powers your home. You effectively have WAY more choices. So, if your unhappy about using fossil fuels for YOUR home, then go and lobby your local community and power provider. Don't assume everyone is using coal or oil to power their homes... 4. The EV's don't have to be expensive. I think we paid about $40K for the Volt (fully loaded) and that was before the $7.5K tax credit. But, feel free to join the rednecks in their $60K Chrome Covered F-150's who complain EV's are just too expensive! Ignorance is your friend! Might as well "own it"!
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...and this is the part I really don't understand....
Why are so many folks militantly against the EV? Instead of simply saying "unfortunately, the model doesn't work for me". They go off and discount the EV as "unusable", "exponentially" too expensive, "something for people with more money than brains" and the "need for green posturing". None of this is accurate, so why the vitriol? What drives this type of response? What makes people mad that others drive an EV? Jealousy, Fear of the unknown, Fear of being left behind, Ignorance? Really, whats the poop? I've been driving an EV since 2012 and I really don't understand this malicious attitude. Unfortunately, this type of attitude is more common that one might anticipate. So whats the deal? The EV works for many people. In fact, Tesla literally can't build the Model S or X fast enough so they must be doing something right. The basic point at the start of this thread was that BMW missed the mark. They did not make an EV which appeals to the masses. People have literally been waiting years for their Tesla Model X. Its pretty obvious that there is a booming market for an upscale EV. ..and as longer range EV's become cheaper (200+ mile, $35K, Tesla Model 3) that market will continue to encompass more and more people. Its just that BMW should have been able to build a competitive product (and they didn't). While Tesla can't build the S and X models fast enough, a recent headline article on Bimmerpost says BMW is trying to offload an oversupply of i3's... And here's a tip... If you are commenting on a BMW forum (and drive an R8), maybe you might be outside the demographic which is looking for base model consumer bargains on an EV?
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No. I have an opinion. That is something different.
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And I can tell you that I know several people who bought an EV. And yes, they did it with the sole purpose of impressing their neighbours and broadcasting their green conscience. Of which I'm not a fan because it just shows how unreflected these people are. It's spelled "fuels" actually. Just so you know. And that's great for you. Still, what does that have to do with an EV? I'm not assuming anything. Please work on your reading comprehension. I don't care whether you have a bike at home attached to a dyno and create your electricity that way. Fact is, in 99% of the cases the electricity where people charge their EV does come from fossil fuels. And that even in Germany where the government, see above, is plastering every conceivable landscape with windmills. This is called statistics. What you are doing is applying your own situation to everyone else's. That's called something else but I'm too polite to actually say it. Quote:
Anything that has complex technology in it has to be expensive. If it isn't, somebody else is paying for it. Either the car company is subsidising it (which happens with the entire BMW i branch), or the government / you as taxpayer are subsidising it (see UK and now Germany, US tax credits...you name it). If you're assuming you can just make technology more complex and get it for free, you're naive. If you think you can just call it cheap because there are no long-term experiences - repair, recycling etc. - then you're more than naive. Quote:
For what they are, and how you can use them, EVs are extortionately expensive. Same goes for plug-in hybrids. Which is why no one in their right mind buys them, as long as they are the relevant person's only vehicle. If they are like you and can buy stuff just for fun, sure, then money isn't an object anyway, or at least not the primary consideration. But just imagine - I know, it's a stretch for you, but I'm trying - that most likely the majority needs a fully-usable car for less than 40K that doesn't look like an ugly Opel and can be refueled more or less everywhere. If you have ever done a serious calculation about the efficiency of EVs or plug-in hybrids, you would have come to the conclusion that they're actually much less efficient than fuel powered cars. But sure, if you want to pretend otherwise, I won't object. You're welcome.
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Well, then maybe you haven't really thought it through. But I'm a nice person, I'm going to help you there.
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Speaking for myself, I'm very much against the EVs as they serve as a fig leaf that covers up the fact that they actually don't do much for climate change and are an immature technology that is being foistered on consumers. It's just a pretense for the industry to be able to comply with more and more stringent emission requirements, but not an actual try to give consumers an added value. Billions and billions are spent on a technology that is unusable for the vast majority of people, and as a taxpayer I'm obliged to finance this idiocy. It's simply something for politicians to say they've made an effort, and everyone applaudes them because it's so good for the environment, but if you think about it for 2 minutes it's actually a very bad idea. Quote:
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I know quite a few people who have a Tesla. As a fourth car, money no object, and no they can't even use it to go on holidays as there are not sufficient charging stations anywhere. Oh, and did I mention Tesla subsidises the charging? Just some food for thought. If Audi or BMW paid my fuel expenses, I would also get a few more cars just for fun. Quote:
Ok, now you're arguing only people who fall into your definition of demographic of this forum can have an opinion on something? Seriously, I thought North Corea was not in Wisconsin, but you're starting to prove me wrong there...
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