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      02-05-2015, 04:34 PM   #23
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You're paying through power cost and in America these not many safe generating power plants.

It's bad news BMW have not installed sports seats, steering and suspension in 2015.
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You're paying through power cost and in America these not many safe generating power plants.

It's bad news BMW have not installed sports seats, steering and suspension in 2015.
Like the future civic of past generations, I think your gonna have to add that yourself!

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Kiwi is still at it. He drives 1 and 2 series cars and thinks the i3 should be a sporty BMW not an urban vehicle.

His comments on our unsafe electric generating plants is equally ignorant. He seems to know a lot about a country he's never visited by reading some unknown source material.

He's clueless.
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Kiwi is still at it. He drives 1 and 2 series cars and thinks the i3 should be a sporty BMW not an urban vehicle.

His comments on our unsafe electric generating plants is equally ignorant. He seems to know a lot about a country he's never visited by reading some unknown source material.

He's clueless.
Yea I traded my 135is for the i3 and couldn't be happier . I do miss the acceleration and sound but have replaced it with equally thrilling and new driving experiences, but perhaps will add the i8 to my garage in the future .

I'm sure if BMW introduces a cheaper electric sports car he will be pleased. It makes no sense to add these items on This car because of the limitations, I thought I read somewhere it doesn't even have a anti roll bar . It does what it was designed to do and does it well.

But like the Japanese cars back in the day were built to be cheap and cheerful and sip gas, the new generation took those cars that where meant to be budget and eco friendly rides and turned them into road warriors.

So anything is possible given the time and money.
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Kiwi is still at it. He drives 1 and 2 series cars and thinks the i3 should be a sporty BMW not an urban vehicle.

His comments on our unsafe electric generating plants is equally ignorant. He seems to know a lot about a country he's never visited by reading some unknown source material.

He's clueless.
I spend a lot of time in America so don't just guess and make statements. I may have traveled the states more than most who live in the states. I actuarially stay with a mayor of one of your biggest cities and they stay with us at home.

How about read up on your generating power plants and why they have power cuts. How many years does it take to shut down one of your nuclear power plants to be safe????? and why are they mostly built on earthquake fault lines.

So you think I'm clueless, well I don't have my head in the sand like some. Does the hat fit?

The i3 is a BMW not a Toyota so it should be able to be sporty if you want or you can drive it around like a bathtub with wheels.
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Yea I traded my 135is for the i3 and couldn't be happier . I do miss the acceleration and sound but have replaced it with equally thrilling and new driving experiences, but perhaps will add the i8 to my garage in the future .

I'm sure if BMW introduces a cheaper electric sports car he will be pleased. It makes no sense to add these items on This car because of the limitations, I thought I read somewhere it doesn't even have a anti roll bar . It does what it was designed to do and does it well.

But like the Japanese cars back in the day were built to be cheap and cheerful and sip gas, the new generation took those cars that where meant to be budget and eco friendly rides and turned them into road warriors.

So anything is possible given the time and money.
I enjoyed my 2 day drive with its acceleration and the look of the outside and inside of the i3 and would have owned an i3.

It wouldn't take BMW much to improve the steering etc as an option they do on all other BMW's.
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Given the nature of the vehicle, designed for running around the urban areas, adding things like roll-bars, and other things that may add weight or increase drag (wider tires, etc.) and therefore lower range or function just don't make a lot of sense. Maximizing range and function was critical part of the design. That function was focused on certain things, and max g's on turns was not one of them. At sane speeds seen in a typical urban area, the i3 is great, and since cities tend to have some nasty road surfaces, stiffer suspension would not be a great idea. The vehicle is tall for several reasons, so to keep the lean down, most people won't want to drive it super fast around curves. It can easily keep up with 98% of the vehicles out there, I don't find it a detriment. You don't use an 8-ounce hammer to drive railroad spikes...nor do you use a 16 pound sledge to do jewelry engraving...the i3 is a tool, changing it's character will change its functionality to, I think its detriment. Leave sporty to other models, like the i8.
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It's not roll bars it's a few tiny little bits added. This is a BMW like I said and I don't believe BMW should be adding Toyota like driving cars.

Yes enjoy your i3 I'm pleased for you but please think BMW not Urban other wise a lot of other nice toys we really like and enjoy will be removed. Just look at California's crazy new sunroof laws.
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I spend a lot of time in America so don't just guess and make statements. I may have traveled the states more than most who live in the states. I actuarially stay with a mayor of one of your biggest cities and they stay with us at home.

How about read up on your generating power plants and why they have power cuts. How many years does it take to shut down one of your nuclear power plants to be safe????? and why are they mostly built on earthquake fault lines.

So you think I'm clueless, well I don't have my head in the sand like some. Does the hat fit?

The i3 is a BMW not a Toyota so it should be able to be sporty if you want or you can drive it around like a bathtub with wheels.
As to your last point first, I'll be happy continuing to drive my i8, thank you.

As for your other points, for some one so well traveled -- and received in such high places -- you are abysmally ignorant. Less than 20% of U.S. electricity is generated by nuclear power plants. Four percent is generated by wind, 11% by water (think dams).

Last time: the i3 is an urban vehicle. It is not a sports car. It's not going to have the fat wheels and Recaro seats you so desperately want to see it have as others drive it and you do not.

I'm through dealing with your total ignorance. You seem to be incapable of getting out of your prejudices and your belief that the i3 is something that it was never intended to be. Wallow in your ignorance. As you travel the U.S. and inspect our nuclear power plants.
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As to your last point first, I'll be happy continuing to drive my i8, thank you.

As for your other points, for some one so well traveled -- and received in such high places -- you are abysmally ignorant. Less than 20% of U.S. electricity is generated by nuclear power plants. Four percent is generated by wind, 11% by water (think dams).

Last time: the i3 is an urban vehicle. It is not a sports car. It's not going to have the fat wheels and Recaro seats you so desperately want to see it have as others drive it and you do not.

I'm through dealing with your total ignorance. You seem to be incapable of getting out of your prejudices and your belief that the i3 is something that it was never intended to be. Wallow in your ignorance. As you travel the U.S. and inspect our nuclear power plants.
As I said it's not fat wheels and Recaro seats, man you really get upset. The power plants was only one example but at least you have done some home work.

Ignorance is that a word some Americans really understand.
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It's not roll bars it's a few tiny little bits added. This is a BMW like I said and I don't believe BMW should be adding Toyota like driving cars.

Yes enjoy your i3 I'm pleased for you but please think BMW not Urban other wise a lot of other nice toys we really like and enjoy will be removed. Just look at California's crazy new sunroof laws.
More ignorance.
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As I was told today when I picked up my 2014 i3 REX, the main differences between the '14 and '15 models are the standard inclusion of heated seats, XM satellite radio, and the DC rapid charge...none of which mine has. The dealer said he'd install XM for $460. I told him I'd hum along with the music in my head for awhile.
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It's bad news BMW have not installed sports seats, steering and suspension in 2015.
As an i3 owner, I can honestly tell you that not only does not need any of those three things, but each of those would ruin the car.

1/ Sports seats do not belong in this city car.

2/ The steering is already very highly geared, and is excellent for such a car.

3/ The suspension is already very firm for a city car, and I consider it is "just right".
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Kiwi pushes hard for an M-type model of the i3. He's been told over and over what the car really is, but he ignores it. So, JasH, your post is an excellent one.

Yesterday while driving on the 101 Freeway east I saw a Smart car that I am sure Kiwi would like. It had huge wheels in the back, and big fender flares to accommodate them. They stuck out at least 8-10 inches on each side. They looked absurd. I was driving and unfortunately could not get a picture. But if I had, and could post it here, I'm sure Kiwi would print make it his screen saver.
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Price is up $1000. BMW says that the wider near future availability of DC fast charging makes it reasonable to put DC fast charging as standard
We'll see
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Check again, because clearly it has killed i3 Sales for BMW enough for them to whore out the lease deals. Can't drive one to far, and no SAE Combos around, and the REX defeats the entire idea of kissing gas goodbye.
I bought a BEV last Thanksgiving. I was unhappy with the range, among 'other things'. The 'other things' gave me the leverage to squeeze BMW into a full refund buyback. Now I have a have a REx without the 'other things'.

Personally, I think the REx is, at this time, easily the best EV on the market because of the extended range. Some may say, "It's not a REAL EV." I say, "Who gives a shit over a few gallons of gasoline a month (if that)." Besides, as soon as I saw an i3 on the lift in the dealership shop I was sold. The frame design, suspension, motor, ICE/generator, CFRP shell, all of it ... Fu***ng brilliant!

A few years from now when the same battery volume and weight will yield 150+ miles then the REx will begin to be obsolete. But not this year and not next.

With regards to BMW sales ... Ignoring Tesla and the i8 due to cost, they closed 2014 with 6% market share and are on track to exceed 10% for Q1 2015. The BMW i3 is #2 behind Nissan in affordable EV sales. The Volt was a disappointment and the Leaf sucks and has lost its exclusive hold on the affordable EV market. I'd say BMW is poised to be a solid power player.
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As to your last point first, I'll be happy continuing to drive my i8, thank you.

As for your other points, for some one so well traveled -- and received in such high places -- you are abysmally ignorant. Less than 20% of U.S. electricity is generated by nuclear power plants. Four percent is generated by wind, 11% by water (think dams).

Last time: the i3 is an urban vehicle. It is not a sports car. It's not going to have the fat wheels and Recaro seats you so desperately want to see it have as others drive it and you do not.

I'm through dealing with your total ignorance. You seem to be incapable of getting out of your prejudices and your belief that the i3 is something that it was never intended to be. Wallow in your ignorance. As you travel the U.S. and inspect our nuclear power plants.
Your quotes of the breakdown of electrical production, while essentially correct, left out one huge point; almost 50% of electricity generated in the U.S. comes from coal-fired steam turbines. Coal may not be very Green but it is, sure as shit, reliable.

Kiwi, I don't care how visits you make to MY country, the idea that you think you know more than me, or any other native born American is arrogantly presumptuous and downright fuc*ing retarded.

Furthermore, you want 'sport seats' and 'sport handling' in an affordable electric car?
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