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Looks like R&T has been linking to his Drive videos for a while now...not sure if he is writing something specifically for them.
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Driving the X6M around on the highway and around town when not pushing it feels a bit silly. When pushing it, it's perfect. The i8 can be that car that is really economical for "regular" driving when you just want to cruise on the highway or down your favorite ocean road. And when you want spirited driving, it gives it impressively. I can be honest, I didn't much care for this concept at first, but it has grown on me a lot. I think that BMW's biggest issue is getting the buy-in from consumers and enthusiasts alike that a sports car can have dual nature (efficiency and performance) and do reasonably well at both, while not being the best at either. My take on this car, which I think these numbers show, is that it's a sports car with everyday usable performance, that is fun to drive, very respectably fast but not supercar fast, and very efficient for around town running. It's the "almost best" of both worlds. Asking it to be the very best of both worlds would be a tall order, so in light of that, plus these numbers, and the reviews that I've read in the past few days, I think BMW has nailed it. I think also, like you say, BMW is ahead of the curve such that when this kind of car as a concept becomes more accepted, the i8 will be in further development, with possibly sister cars (i8 junior?) in the lineup. Last edited by ddk632; 04-28-2014 at 12:22 PM.. |
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Btw, I would expect Active Sound to become the norm with these kinds of cars. If the M5 and Porsche Panamera GTS can have active sound (albeit implemented differently), then surely it's nothing to be embarrassed about with the i8.
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so 1/4 miles and 0-60 times are recorded with 1-foot rollout? I'd like to see dyno figures as well here
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Harris wrote a recent McLaren P1 review in R&T. I wondered at the time if he was joining the staff. He wasn't listed on the editorial page however.
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Well if anything you'd think Brake Energy Regeneration would improve stopping distance as it's just the Intelligent Alternator applying itself to the engine (most heavily when braking, lighter when coasting), thus giving greater engine braking effect, therefore greater deceleration ability. Well, that's how all the BMW's have worked up until now anyway - not sure if the i8 works any differently in that respect.
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04-28-2014, 03:58 PM | #31 | |
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This is not exactly a track car either. As much as the 3 pot 1.5 sounds off putting, IMO BMW have put a blinding package together. Puts my efficient dynamics in the shadows and out of the other side both in efficiency and performance. What more could you want from a DD? |
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-vide...-p1-yas-marina Note that the author is James Wolfcale, not Chris Harris. That's just an article about Chris' experience. Granted, I may not have access to, or may have overlooked an article actually accredited to him, but it doesn't appear that Harris' is writing for R&T directly... Yet.
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If one looks at the Tesla, it's clear that Elon Musk managed to make a significantly uncompromised performance sedan. It's not entirely uncompromised, but it's very, very good. BMW appears to have done the same with the i8. Yes, there are compromises, but in places where the i8 is superlative, it dramatically exceeds the superlatives accomplished by other "entirely uncompromised" cars. Name one other car that can accelerate at the same rate, but scan still deliver the fuel economy of the i8. It's remarkable.
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While the tires seem to be the limiting factor in stopping distances, plenty of cars with similar sized tires, BRZ and FD RX7 come to mind, have stopped in noticeably shorter distances, of course those are both 500+ pounds lighter. Isn't there a tire option for the i8 that does away with the low rolling resistance tires?
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"The BMW i8 marks a moment in history when high performance plug-in hybrids are no longer relegated to the realm of uberexotics built of unobtanium and dreams. Although it's not exactly cheap, the i8 is a viable alternative to sports cars like the Audi R8 and Porsche 911 while delivering drop-dead gorgeous styling that may as well have been sketched by aliens. The i8 will never be everything to everyone, but that's the point. With this hybrid powertrain/exotic body mashup, BMW introduces an era when both efficiency and guts can live in the same striking body." You can find the whole article here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...lick=pm_latest |
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I bet you can make this more performance oriented without sacrificing 90% of the reason this thing is cool. Just fit fatter and sticky tyres and lighter rims would probably improve braking and accelerating.
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OK this would explain the good 0-60 time, but not the braking...
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Those 0-60 times are definitely due to electric instant torque plus awd! Tires play in a little I know but that 3.8 number is what I mentioned, did I say lightweight too
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So what are the performance figures or 0-60 times when the electric power dies?
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What do you mean? It's riding on a set of bike tires. The fact that it's lightweight, AWD, and has a good powertrain setup for quick low speed acceleration seems to make perfect sense.
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