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Originally Posted by Edwardsc1
That's funny considering several states have had to ask people not to charge their electric cars because the power grid can't handle it  Gotta love that half these "eco friendly" charging stations are powered by diesel generators. |
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Originally Posted by exxxviii
There are a couple different dynamics getting thrown around here... The first is that the NACS de-facto standardization is only the plug. It is not the infrastructure for handling authorization, payments, etc. - not even the stations.
Next, the DC fast charging thing is mostly solving for road trips. Stations in urban, suburban, and rural areas would not adding a lot of value. Owners would mostly be charging at home, work, or the gym on L2 chargers in daily driving and almost never need a DC fast charger.
The need is along major thoroughfares. They are likely to be rural and urban, but not suburban. The idea is that major driving routes have enough stops along the way that people can do extended trips in an EV.
This JV, even if it uses NACS, would not have to integrate with Tesla's back end and APIs in any way. They can all do their own thing. The only integration necessary is for the Tesla Superchargers to recognize your non-Tesla VIN for charging at one of their stations. You can do that right now at any of the Magic Dock stations.
So...[LIST][*]BMW and this JV could adopt NACS any time without any agreement with Tesla. SAE is set to standardize it as the J3400 connector. That would mean that they could put the connectors on their cars and JV charging stations whenever.[*]NACS just improves the connector and gets us away from the CSS/J1772 debacle.[*]This JV puts $1B of DC fast chargers in the wild. They can be CCS/J1772, or NACS, or both. Doesn't matter.[*]These new JV DCFCs don't need to talk to Tesla at all. Drivers just need to have an account with the [...]
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This is a good summary. One thing I’d slightly disagree with is the reliability of charging stations. Obviously Tesla allowing usage of their stations would improve reliability as their Superchargers tend to be very reliable (at least for Teslas).
I believe this new network however significantly increases investment from established manufacturers and should provide a reliable and throughly vetted system.
One other thing, in at least the case of Volvo/Polestar and Ford, the agreement does allow use of the Supercharger network, so Tesla would indeed be providing the stations. In which case, as the service provider who would need to be paid, their would have to be some integration with their payment systems (or their vendors payment systems - not sure how they have it structured) by the third-party EVs using their network.