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      02-13-2017, 01:25 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by Mr Tonka View Post
Trumps comment when interviewed several years ago in that film was ambiguous. (In this context, that means, it could be interpreted in different ways) So in the event he was in fact saying what you think he was saying; what does that mean? Does Trump have an engineering degree? How about a basic understand of applied physics? In all his years of being the financier of many high rise buildings, do you imagine at any given time prior to 9/11 he said, "we need to design these buildings to be able to withstand an impact from a loaded 747." ? How many engineering classes prior to 9/11 EVER tested, even within a computer model, the effects of a 747 crashing into a high rise building at full throttle?

In case you're wondering what the correct answers are: Nothing, it is a layman's opinion, No, No, No and likely none.

Nothing but basic physics is needed to debunk these conspiracy theories, but when you couple in what Alex440 posted, this conspiracy is dead in the water. The sheer number of people who needed to be involved would not allow it. Too many people in too many social economic brackets would need to be involved for this to ever stay quiet. Someone willing to get a pay day would have squeaked by now. Too many investigators involved to not show some anomalies or holes in the official report. Instead, what we have are MANY uninvolved, real world physics experts and engineers confirming that not only were the buildings collapsing plausible outcome in those conditions, but the collapses were more than probable.

In regards to a plane crashing into the ground you are saying there should be more plane. One the other hand, you think the building is too strong to have the "cartoon shaped hole" at the entry. At some point you have to believe something caused that cartoon shaped hole in the side of the building. Do you believe it was controlled demolition essentially cutting a plane shaped hole in the building? Do you think the planes were computer generated while being aired live over the TV networks? Do you believe the plane was fitted with some Marvel based comic laser that cut out the hole milliseconds before impact? If not the 500,000 pounds of a fully loaded 747 jet traveling at 400+ MPH, what was it?

With the plane hitting the ground in PA, how many prior plane crashes occur where the pilot is actively TRYING to crash the plane? Every other plane crash prior to that one likely had the pilot trying to do everything within his power to bring the plane in a easy as possible. Do you think there might be some type of different debris field between a plane crashing at 175 mph with the nose up and 550mph with the nose down? Also, which do you think is going to create more resistance for a crashing plane; a man made building several hundred feet above the ground or .... the earth? I'm going to go with the Earth as the correct answer. Here is another physics lesson to further this point.

In the prior example i listed where 100 pounds falling (under the power of gravity alone) from a height of 4 feet will impact with the weight of 20,000 pounds. Well, the stopping distance for that impact equation was set at 1/4". If you make that same 100 pounds falling from 4" stop in half the distance, the impact weight is doubled to 40,000 pounds. For perspective, flight 93 hit the ground with an estimated impact weight of.... wait for it.... 2,147,483,647 pounds or 20,567,551 tons. With the Earth weighing in around 6,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000 kilograms, which do you think will have a more significant impact on the other?

Conversely, do you suppose a plane traveling at speed, impacting a high rise building with 2,147,483,647 pounds of force might possibly inflict more damage on the man made building than the building would on the plane? Bear in mind that while the WHOLE building weighed in at 500,000 tons, the section the plane impacted would have likely only weighed in the neighborhood of 400,000 pounds at best.

Ever see the cartoon shaped hole a bullet leaves in phone book? The weight of the phone book dwarfs the bullets weight, but the bullet wins in destroying the phone book.

Here is something visually enlighten since you like youtube videos. Feel free to watch the entire video, but start at 3:20 to see in super slow motion what a relatively light plate of steal does to an entire car (let alone the concrete backstop) when you introduce speed. BTW, this rocket sled was traveling at about the same speed (or lower) as the jets were when they crashed into the WTC and the field in PA. Be sure to take note on how the rear bumper of the car wasn't pressed into the concrete until the impact had reached the mid point of the car. The effect created by structors colliding at this speed is difficult to comprehend. The majority of the car was essentially vaporized into tiny bits of metal in the same way the 9/11 flights were on impact.

We might not be in an agreement on Trump, but I'll be the first penis chaser here to say I'll rather take it up in the ass than to argue with you on this.

Hmm, I'll edit that later.

I've build a house or two (and not the pick up colors way), but I'm not an engineer. I've also fixed up a few and every building has a weakness. Even the two story ones. The end result just is worse when you go up a few more feet.
Originally Posted by Joekerr View Post
You're still a little new here, so I'll let you in on a little secret. Whenever Lups types gibberish, this is an opportunity for you to imagine it to be whatever you'd like it to be.
Originally Posted by Delta0311 View Post
How would you know this? Did mommy catch you jerking off to some Big Foot porn ?
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