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      10-16-2013, 05:41 PM   #49
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You can't just dismiss everything as untrue without saying why. Check the references. If you're bringing up the cross-pollination issue it demonstrates you didn't even watch the videos as it was addressed in great detail (short version: this has only happened one time [farmer- not farmers] and there was ample evidence the guy was using the seeds illegally.) This guy got his ass handed to him in court so now he just tries to get back by appearing in propaganda pieces that only tell his lies. They spend a lot to develop their seeds to make a profit. If you don't want to use their seeds, don't buy them or steal them.

Organic farming IS less productive. Starvation was far more common back when everything was organic. Do you think farmers use modern methods for the recreational aspects? If they could get the same yields reliably for the same amount of work, and charge organic prices, THEY WOULD. Like you said- it's all about profit, and this would increase profit. If organic is healthier and just as cost effective, then the market will do its job.

BTW- it's funny nobody ever brings up the health risks of organic farming. The natural fertilizers (manure) and reluctance to use cleaners and preservatives dramatically increase your risk of getting ecoli and salmonela. Organic is about 1% of the food supply but responsible for 8% of ecoli cases according to the CDC, so you're 800% more likely to get ecoli from organic. Consumer Reports measured high levels of salmonela on organic chicken. In Napa, non-organic vineyards have to use excess fungicide because they can't wipe out a particular fungus due to it being harbored in the organic vineyards.
Contamination is almost guaranteed, and it's happened more than once. Obviously you don't understand how plants produce offspring. Wind carries pollen, or pollinators such as bees carry it from one place to another. With gmo's being planted in open fields theres no way to prevent it.

Organic farming is not less productive. In the days of organic farming people didn't know as much about plants and we didn't have the equipment we do now, so they had lower yields.

There are also alot of organic methods people aren't aware of to keep away weeds and pests without using harmful chemicals, and using organic fertilizers such as manure is simply recycling nutrients. Recycling is necessary to sustainably feed the world.

Your argument about salmonella is flawed, that is caused by improperly using fertilizers. You should always fertilize after the growing season so that way there is enough time for soil microbes to break down the waste before the next crop is planted. There are also other alternatives such as nitrogen fixing cover crops.

GMO's have increased the cost of farming for many reasons. Farmers have no choice but to pay Monsanto every year for their seeds, plus the cost of herbicides and pesticides, and then the added cost to send someone out in a hazmat suit to spray your food. BT corn caused a massive die-off of bees in oregon not long ago. There is a reason so many countries have banned GMO's, why not the U.S? Is it because the corporations own our government? I think so. If you look at how the Monsanto Protection Act got introduced into congress you will realize that is true.
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