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      01-16-2019, 11:05 AM   #25
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Originally Posted by usshelena725 View Post
I stopped arguing with him when he (a) stated that China is a leading example of capitalism and (b) listed a bunch of capitalist countries in Europe and claimed them to be Socialist countries. I realized then, that it was like arguing with a shoe.

With respect to your other question, I believe the straight answer is 'give it time'. Many times when a location is just a little left, or has only been left for a small period of time, the difference may not be much if any at all. But the left always wants to go further left and as that occurs over time, the variance gets larger and larger. Socialism will always eventually lead to Totalitarianism or a despotic regime and will always eventually be bad for the people as a whole
Go google a list of the top socialist countries and that is what comes up. A socialist policy is not at odds with capitalism. Things like unemployment benefits, social security, public education, even things like the police are socialist govt policies - they take money from individuals to provide a benefit for the whole society. A pure capitalist society would not have these social policies.

As for China's capitalism... the current rise of China is driven by private enterprises, entrepreneurs and competition between individuals and companies - it is not top down govt mandated. How is that not capitalism? You can have capitalism without democracy. One is a economic policy, the other is political.
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