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      03-23-2016, 12:08 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by csu87 View Post
interesting tidbit since you are now talking about weed being legal, I know just as many people here in Colorado that still buy weed illegally as I do that buy it legally. And crime hasnt gone down now all of sudden because weed is legal either despite what the rumors are.

Heres another stat, Arrests for drug violations in 2013 totaled 2,349 and increased almost 10 percent to 2,574 arrests for 2014.

Just because something is legal, doesnt get rid of crime, and in some instances, increases it. Alcohol is legal, but there are still tons of alcohol related arrests every year, so why would drugs be any different?
The reason why legalization in CO hasn't decreased the illegal market for marijuana is because government regulation has made it so expensive that it is still cheaper to get illegally. Your argument about alcohol being legal hasn't prevented alcohol related crimes is misguided. No on is arguing that making something legal will stop people from committing crimes. Making it legal will however remove the need for an underground illegal black market of criminals that peddle it. Prohibition is a perfect example. There is no mafia or drug cartel in the business of selling alcohol now is there?


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You may also want to look at other info before you come up with the war on drugs is the reason the prison population has been going up.

The population has been growing as well.


The Public debt follows almost the same shape as your graph.

Illigal immigration is also similar

The point is, you cant just take one data set and say that is the absolute. you need to look at all the factors.
The population has gone up 35%, while the prison population has gone up 800%, why is that so hard for you to understand there is zero correlation with the population increase. It's not even remotely proportional.

Public debt, illegal immigration, etc. are all moot points, because you can actually look at the statistics on why people are incarcerated.

Here are some facts:

46% nonviolent recidivists
"Violent crime was not responsible for the quadrupling of the incarcerated population in the United States from 1980 to 2003. Violent crime rates had been relatively constant or declining over those decades. The prison population was increased primarily by public policy changes causing more prison sentences and lengthening time served, e.g. through mandatory minimum sentencing, "three strikes" laws, and reductions in the availability of parole or early release. 49 percent of sentenced state inmates were held for violent offenses. Perhaps the single greatest force behind the growth of the prison population has been the national "War on Drugs." The number of incarcerated drug offenders has increased twelvefold since 1980. In 2000, 22 percent of those in federal and state prisons were convicted on drug charges."

Source: "Incarcerated America" Human Rights Watch (April 2003)
Source: United States Crime Rates 19602009. Source: FBI, Uniform Crime Reports.
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