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      11-16-2019, 06:17 PM   #2454
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Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete View Post
I have my own doubts about Tesla meeting their $50k projection, but that's kinda why I mentioned X5 vs Tesla...I figure one way or the other it'll cost me ~$70k, but the plus side to the Tesla is it won't cost me ANOTHER $25k in gas and maintenance before it's even paid off.
Do not forget the battery failure. In chemical engineering, the mean lifespan for all liquid Li Ion batteries is between 6 and 8 years, 500 Low state cycles. It is a constant across aerospace and industrial applications. hence why tesla carefully and sneakingly introduced, April 19, its "Normal Decay" clauses for battery warranty refusal. NO MORE MILLION MILES as too many got it and a single 20,000$ pack would eat through 10 cars worth of profit! Tesla carefully says that neither range nor battery capacity are indicators of battery health.

Indeed, it is LOW STATE IMPEDANCE. Once it shoots above 3,000milliohms or so, whether 200 miles or 100,000 miles old, it is DONE. ching ching, 20-25,000$. Some owners had their fail at 2,000 miles, Covered by warranty, not their fault, they had no chance to kill it in 20-50 days. but at 80,000 kms and 5-6 year marc? tesla will now refuse the warranty.

What this means is that when the impedance testing proliferates, owners will see their teslas, Bolts etc, depreciate accordingly to the impedance figure of their battery. So whereas I saw 20 yr old e3X with 500,000 kms in Africa, minty looking, that will never ever happen with any liquid Li Ion battery. they die just sitting. Figuratively, store it 7 years and fire it up, and no it wil lnever perform like new, acting up, cutting off amperage etc.

Case and point, Porsche and Taycan tells that it is a consumable. Sure, taycan owners carry 30,000$ pocket change for new batteries, but taycan's electrical chemistry is the same as anywhere else on the planet, and Tesla's etc.
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