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      12-20-2018, 11:26 AM   #65
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Did a little research on a few things this morning. My position requires factual documentation in order for any project to commence so this is what I do.

The Mexican economy has a growth goal rate twice that of the US which is roughly 3.7%. The Mexican middle class is growing exponentially while the US middle class is a dying breed. Mexico’s economy is doing quite well. If this is the case then why do we have an immigration problem?
Most undocumented immigrants are not here because they illegally crossed the border. These are individuals that have overstayed their visas. Individuals who overstayed their visas outnumbered those who illegally crossed the border by 600,000 since 2007. It is also estimated that between 27 to 47 % of undocumented immigrants came to this country by planes. This information comes from the Center for Migration Studies. Illegal border crossings have plummeted from an estimated 1.8 million in 2000 to roughly 200,000 in 2015.

Trump demanded 5 billion dollars to be allocated for the construction of this wall. It has been estimated to cost more than 33 billion to build and 150 billion to maintain. Trumps wall, according to engineer’s estimates, will require more than 1.5 times the amount of concrete used in construction of the Hoover dam.

The US Mexico border is already one of the most heavily guarded borders between two sovereign countries in history.

Entities other than the federal government-states, Indian tribes and private parties control over two-thirds of the borderland property. The Bush administration offered no compensation for handing over their property and threatened to sue them if they did not hand it over. The government will use eminent domain in order to seize this property, but these lawsuits will be very expensive and impose some very costly delays in construction, thus adding to the initial cost. Native American tribes also have the ability to cease construction of border barriers and have pledged to fight efforts to build a wall. In 2007 when the Tohono O’odham Nation allowed vehicle barriers to be constructed, this resulted in desecration of Indian burial grounds and digging up of human remains. Trump would need a stand-alone bill from Congress to condemn their land.

Water rights also pose problematic in construction of a border wall. A 1970 treaty requires that the floodplain of the Rio Grande remain open to both sides of the border.

In 2006 Congress allocated 1.2 billion for a 700 mile border fence that the final cost ended up being 3.5 billion. In 2009 it was estimated that it would need to spend 325 million annually for 20 years to maintain just these 700 miles of fence. By 2015, Congress had already spent 7 billion on this project alone. This equates to 11.3 million per mile per decade.

On to economics, Mexico will not be paying for the wall. If the US imposes a tax on imports to Mexico then who do you think will be paying for the wall? The US citizens. Couple the wall with renegotiating NAFTA or launching a trade war with Mexico and the potential of a borderland recession and massive unemployment will only increase. This will start a likely surge in undocumented immigration all over again but in a much more dangerous way as the immigrants will find other ways around the wall.

The long and short of this is that this massive expenditure that will have little impact on immigration is nothing more than seed planting in the minds of the American voters. It would be the single-most expensive construction projects in American history costing as much as 20 Hoover dams.

Good fences DO NOT make good neighbors. Good people make good neighbors. It wasn’t true when Frost wrote it and it isn’t true now. When Frost wrote Mending Wall it was used to analyze the nature of relationships between neighbors functioning as a metaphor indicating the human need for separation and yet the need for friendship. The narrative in this poem also draws attention to the sheer rashness of mending the wall in the first place. No wall will ever stand the test of time. I will eventually fall due to either man-kind or the elements of nature. The narrator in the Mending Wall wants to get his point across to his neighbor but the neighbor arrogantly repeats his father’s comment of “Good fences make good neighbors.” Using this quote here simply does not fit this debate as it was originated only to depict a bull-headed and narrow-minded viewpoint.

The Great Wall of China was built in order to deter against incursions and although useful it still failed. In 1644 the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass. This being said and to touch on my previous made statement concerning maintenance costs, it is estimated that maintenance on the Great Wall of China is between 1 to 5 million dollars per mile. At 13,170 miles this equates to 13 billion to 65 billion in maintenance costs.

Border security is essential to a nation’s sovereignty I agree wholeheartedly. Yes, I agree that we need to protect our borders but a concrete wall that spans over 1,900 miles, I don’t feel is the answer. Yes the number shown here are a drop in the bucket compared to what we as a nation spend. What is the answer? I don’t know. I try to stay out of politics as it only pisses me off. Heated debates, name calling and assumption of others character are made because we as humans have a difficult time with facts, opinions and emotions. I made a comment about why I don’t feel that it is possible. What I should have said is why I do not feel it is feasible based off readily available facts/references and from things I encounter on a daily basis with what I do for a living. You all may continue you’re debate, but this is all I have to say about it.
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