[LeeInCT]

any insider news, updates, rumors? It's eerily silent regarding this on the internet...
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[Paladin1]

I think the sudden firing/partial retiring of Tesla's entire Supercharger management and development team may have at least temporarily hit the "pause" button for many pending and potential Tesla partners. Whether original timelines are still valid is anybody's guess.

[exxxviii]

Yesterday, Tesla posted that their Gigafactory New York just ramped up adapter production to 8,000 units/week. If production was significantly below 8K units/week, and there are a few hundred thousand CCS1 BEVs waiting for adapters, this could have been the bottleneck.

[NomoTesla]

Wow, the genius economists at Tesla figured out that they can make more if they sell more... It feels like Tesla is run by a bunch of 20-somethings who know nothing about how economies work.

[jimbg]

Thank goodness Tesla use a CCS connector in Europe. so we can just use a Supercharger.

[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by LeeInCT

any insider news, updates, rumors? It's eerily silent regarding this on the internet...
https://************/4vp5epwb

It’s gonna be awhile still and BMW is likely at the bottom of the list. I bet 2026

[Windshieldfarmer]

Don’t underestimate Tesla. We’ve seen plenty of stupid with that organization but they are very bottom line driven. They want BMW and others onSuperchargers ASAP. I’m betting it will happen 1st half of 2025.

The question I have is whether BMW is going to need to make accomodative software changes…if so, we’re probably screwed given what I’ve seen with the snail paced rollouts thus far on my Ix.

[jimbg]

What software needs to be changed, in the UK you just roll up and connect assuming you have the Tesla app.
The only issue here is that Tesla are permitting the use of Superchargers in batches, so you have to check on the app if it is a charger that has been opened up.

Not aware of any EV's that cannot use them in Europe, apart from the CHAdeMO cars.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by jimbg

What software needs to be changed, in the UK you just roll up and connect assuming you have the Tesla app.
The only issue here is that Tesla are permitting the use of Superchargers in batches, so you have to check on the app if it is a charger that has been opened up.

Not aware of any EV's that cannot use them in Europe, apart from the CHAdeMO cars.

in the EU, Tesla was forced to open up their chargers to all EVs and to use CCS2. Here in north america, that didn't happen and so they used a proprietary Tesla connector and were not open to anyone else initially. They started implementing magic dock superchargers that were open to all CCS cars (primarily to qualify for government subsidies that required some minimum CCS compatibility at the time). They have more recently partnered with just about every other manufacturer (if not all) to use their connector on future cars and allow older CCS cars to access superchargers with an adaptor. They started rolling this out with the first company or two that agreed to this but progress has been slow from what I have read and BMW is far don the line of OEMs that agreed to switch and partner with Tesla.

*EDIT* Just to be clear, even if you have an adaptor, in north America, a car from a non-onboarded OEM would currently NOT be able to charge on a regular Tesla supercharger as Tesla checks the identity of the vehicle (to some extent anyway) and would refuse to provide the power.
*/EDIT*

Updating BMW software on the vehicles would be nice but not necessary. It would possibly allow the car to know of the existence of the Tesla chargers (which it currently does not), could know their status (how many available, in use, etc), possibly a plug and charge type integration to not require using the tesla app on the phone. None of this is required but would be really nice to have.

[exxxviii]

I'm curiously following Nissan and Hyundai Motor Group for clues... GM was originally expected to follow Ford, but Rivian leapfrogged them. GM is a bit of a basket case, so I could see them delaying a lot more, maybe into 2025. Nissan jumped to the top of Tesla's "Coming Soon" list from the 7th company to sign on. Maybe that is meaningful, maybe not.

Meanwhile, HMG is rumored to start putting the NACS ports in their cars now, with the 2025s coming in the next month or two. So, I am super curious if HMG jumps up the list.

[LeeInCT]

There is just no update from BMW's side regarding this. Regarding adaptors, regarding on boarding progress. However I think there is news saying that the first quarter (?) of they year they are going to start producing cars with NACS charging port, right? If that is still the schedule, then that is a good sign.
I think the really crucial step is for TESLA to open up the network, everything else is just icing on the top.

[frank70]

I do not understand why the USA government does not simply do the same as the EU has done before : just choose one connection as standard and then oblige all chargers to use this standard port from a certain date, and make sure it is open to all vehicles / brands. Problem solved. Easy. As Tesla's already use CCS in Europe Tesla is 100% ready for it, so the logical standard would have been CCS also for USA. Just install CCS ports on all Tesla's (parts are already developed for it as all Tesla's have it in Europe) and Tesla superchargers, without cost to Tesla and/or Tesla owners ofcourse. Can all be done within 12 months.....

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by frank70

I do not understand why the USA government does not simply do the same as the EU has done before : just choose one connection as standard and then oblige all chargers to use this standard port from a certain date, and make sure it is open to all vehicles / brands. Problem solved. Easy. As Tesla's already use CCS in Europe Tesla is 100% ready for it, so the logical standard would have been CCS also for USA. Just install CCS ports on all Tesla's (parts are already developed for it as all Tesla's have it in Europe) and Tesla superchargers, without cost to Tesla and/or Tesla owners ofcourse. Can all be done within 12 months.....

At this point, it is moot. North America is de facto standardized on the NACS/J3400 connector. We are just in the transition stage now to unifying all vehicles and charging stations. And we benefit from the additional upside of a substantially superior connector to the CCS1.

[jimbg]

Yes but you should have gone for CCS2 the same as the rest of the world.
The USA is 3rd in the world for EV's after China and Europe, why be different!

All the manufacturers are now going to produce CCS2 EV's and also some with NACS for the USA.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by jimbg

Yes but you should have gone for CCS2 the same as the rest of the world.
The USA is 3rd in the world for EV's after China and Europe, why be different!

All the manufacturers are now going to produce CCS2 EV's and also some with NACS for the USA.

You may not be aware that there are many other standards across the globe. All the automakers must design and build for a variety of standards, and always have. North America is lucky that we are settling on the best.

• Europe = CCS 2
• China = GB/T
• Japan = CHAdeMO
• United States = NACS
• Canada = TBD, could stay with CCS 1 or follow US to NACS

[frank70]

USA should have standardised many years ago ofcourse. Which one is not important, as long as there is only 1 system. As nearly all other manufacturers than Tesla use CCS Tesla is the oddball ofcourse. Even when maybe it's connector is better. I just think going to the Tesla standard can only be acceptable if Tesla has no say over it in the future, and they can not somehow abuse their standard to extract license fees for it.....

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by frank70

USA should have standardised many years ago ofcourse. Which one is not important, as long as there is only 1 system. As nearly all other manufacturers than Tesla use CCS Tesla is the oddball ofcourse. Even when maybe it's connector is better. I just think going to the Tesla standard can only be acceptable if Tesla has no say over it in the future, and they can not somehow abuse their standard to extract license fees for it.....

The NACS is officially the J3400 standard and managed by SAE. It is independent.

See above... there are no oddballs. It is false to say "nearly all other manufacturers than Tesla use CCS." It is more accurate to say something like "nearly all manufactures, including Tesla, are manufacturing cars on most of the five global standards."

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by frank70

I do not understand why the USA government does not simply do the same as the EU has done before : just choose one connection as standard and then oblige all chargers to use this standard port from a certain date, and make sure it is open to all vehicles / brands. Problem solved. Easy. As Tesla's already use CCS in Europe Tesla is 100% ready for it, so the logical standard would have been CCS also for USA. Just install CCS ports on all Tesla's (parts are already developed for it as all Tesla's have it in Europe) and Tesla superchargers, without cost to Tesla and/or Tesla owners ofcourse. Can all be done within 12 months.....

that kind of government intervention is generally frowned upon in the US by a large part of the population.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

The NACS is officially the J3400 standard and managed by SAE. It is independent.

Does anyone make a liquid cooled J3400 cable yet?

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Pictor

Does anyone make a liquid cooled J3400 cable yet?

V3 Superchargers use liquid cooled cables. The future Megachargers will also use liquid cooled cables.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

V3 Superchargers use liquid cooled cables. The future Megachargers will also use liquid cooled cables.

Sorry should have been more specific. I was wondering about ‘third party’ manufacturers of cooled J3400 cables. For example Phoenix Contact or H+S. Phoenix Contact makes various CCS cables that support boost speeds of up to 700kW/700A but I’m only aware of them making AC NACS cables and H+S announced trials but I haven’t seen any more information about them rolling out anything beyond that.

[sor]

J3400 on the car is really all I care about, and wanting to know when that will land. I don’t want to buy another EV with CCS.

I hope manufacturers and networks are moving forward with that regardless of what Tesla is doing. In reality I suspect they are waffling.