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Additionally I think the TX government wants to prove a point that armed citizens aren't tantamount to more gun violence.
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Sedan, as a LEO, I'm always curious but would you rather see folks in California be able to legally carry without any form of a license, training or background check? Again, I'm asking you as a cop, not a private citizen.
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If someone wants to carry, they should be required to have concealed carry insurance (…which is the cost of one large pizza a month) and they should be required to maintain a reasonable level of skill/accuracy at 7-10 yards. That is not too much to ask for someone who is carrying a firearm. |
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I understand what you mean.
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Very similar. Both are RIGHTS. Not privileges. As such training and background checks aren't a part of it. So if you feel everyone that might carry a firearm needs training and licensing and background checks then why not for something also important like voting? Why are we letting morons with no education vote?
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But the argument is just one you don't comprehend. You seem afraid of people not certified by the state carrying a weapon but not people exercising other rights without certification. Is voting a right? Do you have to prove competence to vote? Is the 1st A a right? Do you need an education to opine freely about issues of the day? Is owning and carrying a gun a right? Do you have to prove competence to exercise that right? is that clearer for you? |
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I totally get what you're trying to argue and what your position is. You don't need to make it clearer for me. I just don't agree with it. As for owning and "carrying" a firearm, my opinion is that you should be competent with it. Hell, even the resident expert around here agrees with that. |
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As to resident expert - who? It doesn't matter if you or someone else doesn't like untrained people with guns. I don't like the idea of incompetent people carrying a gun. I cringe watching many people on the range but at least they are there to hopefully learn. But you still miss the point. It doesn't matter if we are uncomfortable with it. it is a right. You are disagreeing with a fundamental right. If you can disagree with that right what next? An IQ test to get your card to vote? Is that woman being stalked by her ex that just bought a revolver and hasn't had time to learn much about it supposed to wait until some formal training session the state approves? Is that your position? You say you get it but you show you don't. Rights are not subject to training and govt approvals. All Texas is doing is re-establishing that the 2nd A meant exactly what it said. Or maybe you do get it and in your world rights are government privileges to be handed out on a whim. |
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Being outside of law enforcement, I love guns and think gun owners tend to be the worst thing about the gun scene by far.
Guns are a magnet to get absorbed in political issues that don't actually matter to you. What, you think you're the person who's going to make or break an issue like that? To what extent do cops get tired of the gun crowd and their obsession with politics they have no control over? |
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What are the limits to other rights? Before you roll out the argument about screaming fire in a crowded theater, that is not a limitation on the 1st. That says you cannot hide behind that right to do something harmful or illegal. It does not limit the 1st.
The 2nd has already been restricted, some would say unconstitutionally, by limiting the types of firearms, magazines, etc. If we use the logic you are implying in your post, then we should not have freedom of speech when it comes to certain topics that the government deems too dangerous. Does that sound like a good idea to you? No more speaking out about the current administration or ANY politicians as it could be dangerous. Oh, and we could impose limits on how often you can speak your mind. And while we're at it, we can sue journalists and authors who may have been favored by criminals and contributed to their decision to do something like murder. After all, if the authors provided the framework (or the tool) to justify committing the crime, they must be at fault as well. So what limits do the others have? And WHAT is more of a fundamental right than the ability to protect oneself? By limiting that, you are telling individuals that their own personal safety is less important than assuaging another's fear. |
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"The 2nd has already been restricted, some would say unconstitutionally...." And some would say not. |
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Again, not a restriction of the 1st if you are breaking a law. Big difference that some are unable/unwilling to see.
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Your right isn't limited in the courtroom or the library, you are free to go out on the front steps and express your opinion/excercise your free speech. If you want to speak in a courtroom in Canada you can apply for standing and I know you can rent library space to hold meetings etc. |
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