[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

Very valid points; however, we have augmented reality. Very handy feature.

Is it really? I thought it was neat at first, but have ultimately found it to be of limited use. The arrow points you to turn. But if you have to be in a specific turn lane when there are 3 lanes to turn left, or need to visualize and be in a specific lane in a roundabout to exit where you need to go, sometimes having a graphic of what you need to do before you reach the critical decision point is more useful than an arrow while your already in the decision point.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

Right there what you describe is part of the problem with ID8. Where is a piece of information you need going to show up - the instrument cluster, the HUD, the center screen, or some menu within the center screen? The answer is "it depends", because having anything show up on the HUD and/or instrument cluster depends on what you've custom configured to display there. Even if you do choose to display navigation information, are you using Google Maps or Apple Maps? I can get Apple Maps to show some info in the HUD, but not Google Maps. And neither shows information such as charge at destination.

Three separate display screens is not optimal. I think BMW has realized this, which is why Neue Klasse has only two.

In practice when you use the HUD, the instrument panel is not where you look for the info you get on the HUD. Some people don't like the HUD so they can chose to get the data in the instrument panel, but that is a personal choice they make and having the flexibility of chosing how it is done is a good thing. I agree that they could have put in more effort to be more consistent across carplay and android auto vs their own NAV system.

Sure in the Tesla UI it's all on the same screen, the one placed in the wrong spot which maximizes the time you spend not looking where you should be while driving. Compared to having the info, like say lane placement, showing up within your line of sight in the HUD, you would have to actively take your eyes away periodically from the normal location to look toward the center screen in case there was info there for you. The instrument panel is somewhere between the two in terms of placement. Easier to notice while looking ahead than the center screen, but not as good as a HUD.

The HUD is something that would complement the lack of instrument panel in their design of the model 3/Y very well and it is a shame that they don't seem to want to use that tech for whatever rea$on$.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

Is it really? I thought it was neat at first, but have ultimately found it to be of limited use. The arrow points you to turn. But if you have to be in a specific turn lane when there are 3 lanes to turn left, or need to visualize and be in a specific lane in a roundabout to exit where you need to go, sometimes having a graphic of what you need to do before you reach the critical decision point is more useful than an arrow while your already in the decision point.

I agree with you that the AR view is not as useful as i thought it would be. I have it turned off. For one, it is not where you are looking (on the 22-23 models). Maybe in the instrument cluster I would find it less annoying, but in my 23 car, I found myself wanting to look at the map soo much more often than the AR view that was on screen that I turned it off. It was also laggy.

[KRS_SN]

BMW seems to do right in the driving and premium department well enough to keep us regulars buying. These idrive abhorrations and useless tech wizardry pulls in the others who are unto that sort of stuff. I would think the tablet being tesla like is as close as saying its got a wheel like a tesla.

[Paladin1]

Believe it or not, I can multitask. And having the information right in front of me is the ideal place to put it. No HUD in a Tesla, regardless of whether any have it or will have it, was and is a major design flaw in my opinion, and having used many cars with it I would not be without it now. A configurable instrument cluster - also missing on some Tesla models - is also essential to me for the same reason. BMW has rightly reasoned that when you're driving you want information to be in your line of sight, not over to your right or left or in your lap. As an adjunct, sure, but not your primary driving feedback. There are lots of exceptions, and of course semi-autonomy when you need to take your attention off the road, but the less the better. That's why there's a HUD in fighter aircraft and pilot helmets - because that's where you're looking, and where your attention should mainly be. Yes, I routinely switch between Google and native NAV, and yes, it shows up in my instrument cluster (not as well integrated as Audi IMO).

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

I've uploaded a comparison picture at the same intersection and destination. The iDrive 8 screen is just the wrong aspect ratio for navigation. Although the fake clouds look nice.

Tesla wastes so much screen space! Why does a computer's guess at rendering the intersection take up half the screen? We already know what the intersection looks like—we have eyes and can see through the windshield the actual intersection. Why do the turn-by-turn directions not appear on the left side of the screen instead of the middle? Those things should be closer to the driver.

No HUD or instrument cluster in the 3/Y (not even in the Highland redesign) means no sale for me, ever. I like to actively participate in the experience of driving my car. I don't want to feel like a passenger in the driver's seat.

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

Tesla wastes so much screen space! Why does a computer's guess at rendering the intersection take up half the screen? We already know what the intersection looks like—we have eyes and can see through the windshield the actual intersection. Why do the turn-by-turn directions not appear on the left side of the screen instead of the middle? Those things should be closer to the driver.

LOL. I think we've already determined that width is wasted on a navigation screen, and iDrive 8 is a clear example of that. Height is what is required.

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

No HUD or instrument cluster in the 3/Y (not even in the Highland redesign) means no sale for me, ever. I like to actively participate in the experience of driving my car. I don't want to feel like a passenger in the driver's seat.

I'm not sold yet on the giant HUD in the Neue Klasse. Honestly, projections on the windshield are low visibility/low contrast, useful sometimes for information such as speed. But I'd rather be looking at a good quality instrument cluster.

This new wide HUD in Neue Klasse may suffer the same issue with navigation in that it may not be tall enough.

[ricerboi]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

LOL. I think we've already determined that width is wasted on a navigation screen, and iDrive 8 is a clear example of that. Height is what is required.



I'm not sold yet on the giant HUD in the Neue Klasse. Honestly, projections on the windshield are low visibility/low contrast, useful sometimes for information such as speed. But I'd rather be looking at a good quality instrument cluster.

This new wide HUD in Neue Klasse may suffer the same issue with navigation in that it may not be tall enough.

Yeah when I did the full "test drive" in the Neue Klasse system, the HUD was definitely too low contrast, but I'm sure it can be adjusted. I really enjoyed the info displayed on the HUD. Although I wish it were taller, it would encroach too much into "reality." I think with audio cues and more detailed directions on other screens, it's just the right amount of information. It's much better than on ID8, that's for sure.

I'm excited about the new screen for ID10. It's really responsive and a lot more functional. I feel like ID8/8.5 is more of a penultimate evolution of ID7, where ID10 really is "different" in a good way. Let's go iX7 with ID10!

[Norbimmer]

A lot of these features makes sense when stationary, but not while driving. Do these UI/UX people actually drive a car and test this swiping of screens with two fingers, widgets moving, everything touch etc? Please bring back real buttons that actually do work and combine it with cool new tech and features. Heck, it is even hard to type correctly on the ipad sitting on your sofa.

Still I see a lot of people in brand new cars who doesn’t even connect their phones via BT/Wifi to the car but holding it in their hand using speaker on the phone, while driving. (No it doesn’t count as hands-free when in speaker mode ;-) ).
People are swaying left and right fiddling on phones, we need more driver attention on actually driving and less tech-distractions. Guess self-driving car is really needed, and soon…

[BMWEVGuy]

I personally like Mercedes super screen set up.

[bmwix1]

Besides the panoramic HUD, I dislike the Tesla-ish iDrive 10 design or the entire interior design.
I wonder how much new i3 design will carry over to future flagship i7, i8 m comp, ix 3.0, ixm, ix7 refreshes.
iDrive 10 will be there, but it doesn't have to be operated exactly like new i3.
Whatever iX 2.0 going to product in 2025 will give us the first glimpse of the future BMW flagships.
iX is the prototype for using CLAR architecture to create dedicated EV platform. If BMW wasn't too lazy on packaging, they could have a frunk and still have everything else "sealed" under the hood.
If BMW follows Mercedes's and Audi's foot steps and stops design new ICE models after 2025~2026, all the flagship models can continue its CLAR path with dedicated EV design (eliminate the transmission tunnel). The refreshes are not due until 2027 or later, so plenty time for them to think over.
BMW CEO said 8 EVs will coming out of neue klasse. My guess is 1~4 and X1~X4. 5~8 and X5~XM will be on CLAR or similar new EV platform.