Devastating new Ammunition design (A new twist on frangible Hollow points)

kingofthedemo · 01-31-2014, 01:52 PM

I hope they make this in .380, it sure would give me some extra confidence in the round....

PINeely · 01-31-2014, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofthedemo

I hope they make this in .380, it sure would give me some extra confidence in the round....

This projectile could actually solve a lot of the problems with the .380 ACP. Everyone talks about how the HP's are likely to clog, or won't feed reliably, etc. However, the real problem with .380 ACP is when they DO work; they don't have enough steam to get good penetration on the target. A lot of .380 hollow points stop short in this category penetrating only 6-10 inches. That's why I prefer ball ammo for .380 self defense. This new round could eliminate that problem though since the trochars separate from the rest of the projectile, which is then left to behave like an FMJ and penetrates effectively. It's a "best of both worlds" sort of thing.

That said, if people say that current JHPs have trouble feeding in their guns (I have never experienced this) then this one might not do so hot on that front either...

kingofthedemo · 01-31-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PINeely

This projectile could actually solve a lot of the problems with the .380 ACP. Everyone talks about how the HP's are likely to clog, or won't feed reliably, etc. However, the real problem with .380 ACP is when they DO work; they don't have enough steam to get good penetration on the target. A lot of .380 hollow points stop short in this category penetrating only 6-10 inches. That's why I prefer ball ammo for .380 self defense. This new round could eliminate that problem though since the trochars separate from the rest of the projectile, which is then left to behave like an FMJ and penetrates effectively. It's a "best of both worlds" sort of thing.

That said, if people say that current JHPs have trouble feeding in their guns (I have never experienced this) then this one might not do so hot on that front either...

Yeah these rounds could make your typical ruger lcp, s&w bodyguard, or the like, a lot scarier! I have never had any feeding issues with Hollow Points in my Bodyguard .380...

PINeely · 01-31-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofthedemo

Yeah these rounds could make your typical ruger lcp, s&w bodyguard, or the like, a lot scarier! I have never had any feeding issues with Hollow Points in my Bodyguard .380...

I think that the whole ".380 feed problems" thing is overblown. People looking to hate on the caliber and such.

kingofthedemo · 01-31-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PINeely

I think that the whole ".380 feed problems" thing is overblown. People looking to hate on the caliber and such.

Yeah me too, I always run Hornady critical defense in mine, and I have never had any issues, the rubber insert in the hollows may help them feed...

bolinp78 · 01-31-2014, 04:15 PM

Article on this ammo:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...-zimmerman/g2/

N55 · 02-04-2014, 10:06 PM

Some idiot paid $400 for a 20rd box of this on GunBroker right after release date.....

kingofthedemo · 02-04-2014, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by N55

Some idiot paid $400 for a 20rd box of this on GunBroker right after release date.....

DAMN I need some of this to sell ASAP!

kingofthedemo · 02-04-2014, 10:11 PM

^ It looks like it's going for a premium, but thankfully not nearly that expensive anymore at least.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=391916035

Rotorocious · 02-04-2014, 10:34 PM

I think people will be disappointed with this stuff

kingofthedemo · 02-04-2014, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rotorocious

I think people will be disappointed with this stuff

How so?

silvergray545 · 02-04-2014, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofthedemo

How so?

Because there's no proof that it works just as good or better than hollow points. As cool as this ammo looks, I doubt I'll ever replace my hollow points with it.

Foxrus14 · 02-04-2014, 10:55 PM

Ammo has already been tested and proven to be nothing like they say on their Website. The Truth about guns did a review...

kingofthedemo · 02-04-2014, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by silvergray545

Because there's no proof that it works just as good or better than hollow points. As cool as this ammo looks, I doubt I'll ever replace my hollow points with it.

I was pretty impressed with the videos though, as far as I'm concerned those were pretty persuasive. The camera doesn't lie...

AlpineSwift · 02-04-2014, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrus14

Ammo has already been tested and proven to be nothing like they say on their Website. The Truth about guns did a review...

Listen to this man /\ and read the review on them.

These are a complete waste of money. If you want to stop someone, buy some JHP's and move on.

AlpineSwift · 02-04-2014, 11:34 PM

Here ya go people:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ing-phase-one/

For about $2.50 a round, I can get 100 JHP's for a little over half that price per round.

EINSER M · 02-04-2014, 11:36 PM

10k rounds please

kingofthedemo · 02-04-2014, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AlpineSwift

Listen to this man /\ and read the review on them.

These are a complete waste of money. If you want to stop someone, buy some JHP's and move on.

I just read over the review, and I still want to try these out myself.

silvergray545 · 02-05-2014, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kingofthedemo

I was pretty impressed with the videos though, as far as I'm concerned those were pretty persuasive. The camera doesn't lie...

Ballistic gelatin doesn't die.

Hence why I stated there is no proof that these work better than hollow points.

Mr Tonka · 02-05-2014, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AlpineSwift

Listen to this man /\ and read the review on them.

These are a complete waste of money. If you want to stop someone, buy some JHP's and move on.

Ditto, i'm not giving up JHP until all the LE agencies make the move. Those videos are far to sensationalized for me to think there is anything legit about the ammo.

turd · 02-05-2014, 09:35 AM

G2 Research’s RIP Ammo – Ballistic Testing, Phase Two

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02...phase-two/

Final Summary:
"In my opinion, there’s no advantage to the R.I.P. in terms of penetration or vital organ tissue disruption, so the only real area of discussion would be in terms of the initial “trocar” damage cavity. If you’re choosing between a conventional hollowpoint and the G2 R.I.P., the only thing the R.I.P. adds over a conventional hollowpoint is that initial, shallow “trocar” damage cavity."

kingofthedemo · 02-05-2014, 09:39 AM

I just meant that still want to buy these to have some fun out in the country testing them out on a few watermelons etc. I''m not saying that I'm convinced enough to switch my carry ammo out in my EDC guns.

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kingofthedemo Major 225 Rep 1,100 Posts Drives: BMW E90 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (1)	^ It looks like it's going for a premium, but thankfully not nearly that expensive anymore at least. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=391916035 __________________ MY PROGRESS LINK: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=766852 ''Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.''Ernest Hemingway
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AlpineSwift Colonel 77 Rep 2,114 Posts Drives: 2008 335Xi Coupé Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Castle Rock, CO iTrader: (3)	Here ya go people: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ing-phase-one/ For about $2.50 a round, I can get 100 JHP's for a little over half that price per round. __________________ E92 '08 335Xi 6AT - Cobb AP3 Tuned by MAC Autosport, Original Prototype Xi DOCRace 6266 Single Turbo Swap, VRSF CP w/Synapse BOV, VRSF 7" FMIC, BMS Cowl, H&R Coilovers, Renn Motorsport RS-51's, Stoptech Stage 2 Slotted, xHP Stage 3, Earl's Racing Oil Cooler, Turner Boost Gauge, M3 Lip Spoiler. Standing Mile Record Holder for Xi over a mile high: 168.2MPH @ 5512'; The Colorado Mile hosted by The US Mile.
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kingofthedemo Major 225 Rep 1,100 Posts Drives: BMW E90 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (1)	I just meant that still want to buy these to have some fun out in the country testing them out on a few watermelons etc. I''m not saying that I'm convinced enough to switch my carry ammo out in my EDC guns. __________________ MY PROGRESS LINK: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=766852 ''Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.''Ernest Hemingway
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