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Thank you for the details and all the photos you posted!
It seems that my perception in regards with this car is correct: the materials used are very cheap for this car. I have made in a previous thread some comments in regards with this vehicle, the way the rubber seals look like, the cupholder as well, etc., and your pictures just convinced me that this car doesn't worth the money. It seems that BMW relies on the WOW factor induced by the exterior design and for the rest of the vehicle... God bless... Scott was replying that the vehicle is not cheap and it doesn't look cheap. Oh well, I have a wide experience with cars and materials and I can tell for sure that the materials used in this vehicle are very cheap and disappointing. The car can be as wow as possible, for me it is extremely important to feel and touch the quality inside, not to wow the people outside. Now that I saw quite some of it, it doesn't spark any interest for me anymore. I will most likely buy an M and have money left for something else too. I strongly believe that BMW is losing some touch in many aspects, I am absolutely shocked to see the technical aproach chosen to connect some components and pieces. In a century when everybody is trying to excel and take away visual disturbing pieces by connecting them smoothly and using different techniques to put them together so they can visualy flow, BMW is choosing to dissapoint inside. I will love to work with them and point some things that really matters for the customer. There are some gaps, fit and finish issues and materials that should be out of question when we talk about a such car that not only has a certain price, but it sends out a certain message. What is more disappointing is the fact that BMW does not see certain things, you can not rely solely on your name and badge, the others simply don't sleep, the image and perception of a brand is hard to build and easy to loose. I think this car is like a gigolo: it is beautiful outside, but is very dissapointing inside. Last edited by Teutonic; 04-21-2014 at 10:45 AM.. |
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Tilum, today safety features like blind spot monitoring W/ active assist and other radar based systems are pretty much standard features on new cars. Many other new generation features are also available on new cars.
The killer for me is the lack of the BLS monitoring (even without assist). It has proven very valuable in my new cars and I have vowed not to buy a new car without it. So to me, now anyway, this is a deal breaker. I'm sure that the next generation will have it! |
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I think people are losing sight of what this is. A carbon fiber passenger tub, carbon fiber body, plug in hybrid (electric motors and batteries aren't cheap), HUD, camera cruise, collision mitigation, etc, etc for a little more than a well loaded M6. The interior looks like typical BMW, which is just fine by me.
What most of you want would have put this car well above $200k, which (at the risk of sounding elitest) would have put it even more out of the price range of some people complaining about it. An inflation adjusted Z8 would have sticked for $170k these days, and the i8 is way more exotic in materials and design. Long story, short. The interior is fine to me and even better when you realize where the rest of the budget went. Last edited by Carac; 04-21-2014 at 11:46 AM.. |
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First, it is far from typical BMW quality. There are cars in the line up with better materials. I guess, you can not tell the difference. Even the OP is pointing out some aspects, obviously it is not typical. Second, the plastic can be a different quality (what price increase can be?), the rubber seals can flow to meet the next piece not stop 5 mm before (that will require attention to detail not money since is already fabricated), the seats can have a different material which will fit a such car, the headliner can have a different quality, the cupholder can have a different design and a different technical aproach, the back seats can be properly done and fabricated without having wrinkles and a weird line, the inside pieces can be put together in a more subtle way than using obvious push pins. Even if i take those seats and have the custom made at a local shop will not cost me more than 3k; this without having BMW equipment and workpower. You are really exagerating in many aspects. When I spend a 140,000, I will gladily spend 10 more for a proper material. This car does not address to the 30,000 buyer, so I strongly believe it is not about the price, it is just lack of attention to detail. Did the money get in the technology? I think this is just a poor excuse, don't worry, they do have their profit. However, would you buy a nice exterior super expensive house with some terrible floors, poor material kitchen cabinets and cheap windows? Last edited by Teutonic; 04-21-2014 at 11:48 AM.. |
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I have 2 theories. both could be right. like eps, bmw was trying to introduce a new mass tech(yes the 1st gen z4 had it allready) in its lineup before anyone else and did not have time to make it right (unlike porsche that waited to create an excellent eps b4 putting it in the market) second bmw simply cant compete with the vw group. due to component crossing between brands in the vw group they can reduce cost and improve quality yet keeping profit. But I think bmw got this wrong. I had 100k in the bank for this car. went to frankfurt 4 or 5 years ago just to see it. when I saw the glass front headlamps instead of the stunning glasseless one on the concept and the interior quality I put a deposit on an i3 - 3 weeks to delivery - and Im waiting for an m3 test drive to decide between it (weights less but again poor interior) or the m5 (fat ass but incredible interior specially with B&O sound.
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BMW deserves great respect and admiration for this car.
We have been following the i8 since the beginning and sure it's not perfect. But thanks to BMW we are one step closer to those science fiction cars we all have seen in movies. Good job to BWM for actually making a concept car true. The i8 is one sexy hell of a car. I bet it will "wow" girls in a whole different way than any other super car. Last edited by Manbnda; 04-21-2014 at 12:30 PM.. |
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BUT A picture worth a thousand words right? This is the vehicle that was presented at NYIAS ! I strongly believe that this is outrageous for a such car, at a such price that tries to put out a certain image. Last edited by Teutonic; 04-21-2014 at 01:33 PM.. |
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I think you might be nit-picking, just a little bit. The cupholder is the biggest eyesore. All that other stuff, I think you'll find in many cars no matter what the price, except maybe a Pagani where everything is handmade and meticulous.
Also keep in mind BMW has something like 4 i8's in the US that it shleps from city to city for major and minor events. They get craned into places, put on the grass outdoors, indoors, etc. While they should clean the car, it's not unreasonable to find some mud/dirt underneath the car; it's not really brand new in the sense that it was put on a truck and send straight to NYIAS in bubblewrap. The rear cupholder is the biggest most glaring oversight in my opinion. The plastic seatbacks, while I said earlier could have been carbon, that would have definitely raised the price of the car a notable amount. Last edited by ddk632; 04-21-2014 at 01:52 PM.. |
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He better be nit picking. He's paying for a car that costs as much as a flat!! wouldnt you? I think I made my point and hate to keep this up, but this car's interior is embarrassing to the brand, let alone a luxury brand. Case and point. this is merc's V classic, luxury ford transit. look at this interior. look at its individually made idrive controler or the headlights switch, electric window, the electric park, etc. this interior puts to shame a 3 ser let alone a 100k halo sportscar. embarrassing
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Also, these are preproduction examples/prototypes so the final tooling, tolerances, fit & finish weren't complete when they were made. I personally don't have any problems with the things you've listed so I'll withhold judgement until I get a chance to sit in the one I order when it arrives in July (barring delays). I doubt I will but I have the option of passing and getting my deposit back...but that probably won't be necessary. I have driven and owned cars with a higher sticker than the i8 with more glaring issues than the ones you point to. It's hard to make the "worth my money" call until you've had a chance to sit in, drive, and experience a car. For instance, it's really easy for me to say a 918 could never be worth the $850k+ they're asking without ever experiencing it. It might be worth every penny...and so might the i8. Last edited by Carac; 04-21-2014 at 03:00 PM.. |
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I'm intrigued by that camera on the front bumper. I wonder of it will be used as a parking assistance feature to give us a true front view to avoid scraping the bumper on a curb.
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And just for the record. A friend on the west coast that works for a BMW dealer says someone just agreed to paying $250k for their first i8...thankfully my dealer says they have never and will never ask for over sticker on a new car (and I have it in writing with my deposit). |
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Please remember that some of the textiles in areas such as the glove compartment and sun visors conform to the new premium image of using sustainable materials in both the i3 and i8. These have been recycled for input into the i8 as new materials.
Although they look cheap to you there are part of the whole sustainable image BMWi promotes. FYI the V-Klasse touch pad command controller is available on optional on all Mercedes-Benz cars. For BMW we are heading towards to new level of connectivity in which iDrive will dispense with a rotating knob and moving to a touch dial and connected drive tablet as showcased on the Vision Future Luxury concept car.
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And to correct your post the materials dont look cheap to me. They ARE cheap. I am sad to know that the idrive knob is going however. Always been a favourite, specially the first incarnation i had on my E65 7. Best one ever designed. I bit off topic but that car one day will be in a museum, specially its interior. quality wasnt to par with todays cars but its design was utopian. One could clearly see the thought put into it. Kudos to Mr Bangle and its team Also unrelated but I hate those full digital instrument displays. the S class ones look like those cheap ipad knockoffs. I hope bmw keeps at least the speedo and rev needles as optional. And if bmw wants to know how to design one that does not look cheap I can lend them my E9 Csi for them lol |
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i8 is not an ordinary car for an ordinary consumer. If you want to drive future now, go for it and do understand idea behind it. Otherwise conventional car is better solution. For example V-class...
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