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I doubt that the range tests are done in that mode. It still won't get the range of the e40 but better than 240? My daughter never reaches the range quoted on her Chevy Bolt because she has a heavy foot. On an EV below 60 and conservative driving increase range. That being said, I can't imagine driving my M50 like granny.
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The EPA does provide a different range for city and highway. There's a lot more data from their test result than what is available on the sticker.
Their dataset can be downloaded here: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/download.shtml |
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BMW needs to step their game up. 5000lbs for a small sedan. Expect 5000-6000lb M cars to be the norm. This things a tank.
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Unless the range was under 200 miles; I was going to buy it. I have level 2 at home and rarely did my 335i see more than 200 miles in a day. Dealer told me build sheets and position information becomes available Nov. 18 for the US.
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I agree that there could be a balance between touch screen and buttons but tesla going the complete opposite direction is in my opinion unsafe. |
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10-14-2021, 03:08 PM | #50 | |
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Also, I'm not seeing a lot of buttons going on here. So it's not just Tesla. I don't hear a lot of people calling the Taycan unsafe. |
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Bit worried about the motion sickness. Not the first review that mentions this. And definitely something that would happen to me as well.
Even with his driving style I find the range of 293km horrible. I wonder what the effect of colder weather will be. |
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As per all EVs, winter driving will reduce range.
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About the range, i dont understand what people dont understand about it...
Hes driving the car very hard, hes going upwards on the autobahn from Munchen to the alps, hes doing speeds that is known for years will drain batteries faster 150km/h, its raining, the range on this car with this setup is 420km NOT 500+ like some people seem to think, add those tires to the fact that hes driving in heavy rain at high speeds, and then he is even doing 0-60 tests and driving"sporty" uphill on the bundesstrasse on top of it all.. Not very hard to understand that he managed to push it from 425km range to 290. Its a WELL known fact that you will have to charge more if you go faster in any EV. On the autogefuhl iX rewiev its said that you can do 200km at 200km/h with the iX50 according to the live consumption numbers at that speed. For most people it wont be a problem as you wont be allowed to drive at those speeds anyway. But in other words, if you do a 2-3 hour stretch of agressive driving you will have to stop for 15-30 min and charge. There is a reason why people have figured out that EVs work. 99.9% of people dont need cars that do more than this. You can do 1000km in about 10hours in most EVs now and if you that in any car its a full days work anyway. The only worry people should have is the availability of chargers. Its something that will improve greatly over the comming years. In my country its already good enough for the current amount of EVs on the road. Its working fine, and you only charge away from home on rare occations. Most people dont drive 400-600km in a day, atleast not in EU. Last edited by Hansn; 10-15-2021 at 03:43 AM.. |
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I have yet to meet anyone with motion sickness worse than mine. I drive an I3 and initially, I did have minor problems given how quiet the car was. I suspect the engine noise and vibrations from ICE cars create enough distraction with driving to reduce the likelihood of one getting sick. After a week or so, my brain got used to the lack of noise and I never had an issue again. That said, my tolerance as a passenger in any EV is far less than that as a passenger in an ICE - anything over a few min in an EV as a passenger and I need to get out, in an ICE vehicle I can get to 20 minutes given the right conditions. Thankfully I enjoy driving!
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Anyway this looks like a great EV alternative and has certainly caught my interest, but I think the folks trying to directly compare to an M3/M4 on the basis of 0-60 is a bit of an exaggeration. As he says its probably closer to an M340/440i in terms of driving dynamics. |
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I know this owner personally. He's owned, in the past, multiple high performance cars that he's tracked including a 996 GT3, which he still holds as his high water mark for overall feel. His other car, currently, is an NA Miata....with a 302 Ford V8 out of a Mustang Cobra. He notes that his Model 3 is the fastest car he's driven around Lime Rock....and second most enjoyable behind the GT3. |
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But that's not the same point I was addressing above, which was that the car is most certainly not just an iPad on wheels. The car is actually enjoyable to drive for an enthusiast. I will stand behind that. I can't wait until someone, anyone besides Tesla, gets CLOSE to their motor / battery / performance combo without nosebleed pricing (Taycan). Will the i4 be it? Maybe. Hope so. |
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- No HUD - Poor iphone connectivity - Harsh ride - Cheapish and basic interior [the new Plaid interior is much nicer, but the Yoke is a deal breaker for the Model X to me] Otherwise the performance is good and we have had no issues with quality. The other manufacturers need to match Tesla's Supercharger Network. IMHO |
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The TM3P may be a joy to drive. it may be all of what you said. By the time you add everything including the FSD (that isn't) it costs $68k. I can get any color interior as long as I like black or white. I don't. I can't get leather. Is the range longer than the i4? Yep, but that's not part of my consideration. As long as the range is 250ish I don't care. The TM3P may be a joy to drive.for some. For me it was okay. It wasn't fun, it was just okay. Tesla build quality just isn't BMW build quality. Quite frankly, it's not Chevy build quality either. Tesla has supply chain issues and even getting a broken window repaired can take or used to take a month or two. Call me a BMW fanboy if you like, but M50 is electric and it's a BMW that checks the boxes for what "I" want in a car. I want leather, HUD, BMW type service, BMW fit finish and quality, etc.
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