[moesess34]

Originally Posted by Paladin1

My iX will travel well over 300 miles in the balmy Summer, so yeah, several lakes in that 150+ mile round-trip range. It'll cost me less than 7 bucks to go to the far side of that and back. And I won't need to stop at all on the way, so I'll have the boat trimmed, hot dogs on and a cold one ready for you when you get there.

Yep. It’s a true 300 miles going well over 70 mph in a IX. If we decide we need to charge there are options. Some people act like it’s a wasteland for changing. That well into 5 hours of driving.
Does it need to get better. Yes! But, I’ve driven all over the county. The supercharging thing is overhyped. Most people will charge at home 98% of the time. The real move is getting charger in residential building in big cites. NYC is the only big city I can think of that makes it very hard for people to charge affordablly. Other big cities like dc have better options. Atlanta has decent charging within the city as well.

[VirtualGuitars]

I keep saying this, but I feel it needs repeating. I love ICE vehicles as much as my full EV; however, these EV haters might want to start considering what’s coming in the very near future. EVs are coming whether you like it or not. If you’re buying a new vehicle in the next five years, you probably won’t have much of a choice. GM, my previous employer, will not have any engines in their vehicles by as early as 2030. That’s only six model years away and I have a feeling other vehicle manufacturers will follow suit because of government regulations, etc. etc.

Just something to think about.

[G30M]

How do I buy shares in this?

[JK479]

Originally Posted by jmack123

It will be solved mid-2024 when ALL Tesla Superchargers are opened to GM, Volvo, Polestar, Ford etc.
in terms of whether there will be challenges initially - probably. I assume there will be APIs translating from each automaker to the Superchargers at least until 2025 when the NACS plugs are native to these vehicles.
With that said, once the vehicles are built natively with NACS in 2025, the problem is effectively solved.

Currently in my home state- we have 16 chargers TOTAL for Tesla in the entire state. It will NOT be solved. You’re full of it. Or you’re unaware of how few chargers there are and how few EVs on the road compared to ICE.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by jmack123

You do realize the vast majority (80%) of people live in big cities?
So we have to figure out how to solve for the other 20%? Doesn’t sound like a huge problem.
Lot of feelings over facts in this forum.

Bimmerpost Feelings over Fact most of the time… I agree

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by nd.point

Hopefully as fast, but hopefully not as expensive. It's gotten up there in the past 2 years.

Just like everything else I suppose

But at least the network is extremely reliable

[bandersen]

Wow. 30,000 chargers.
13 million cars a year sold in rhe US (avg life expectancy 11 years).
Call me underwhelmed. And thankful for lCE.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by nosnoop

You do realize that majority of the charging is done at home, right?
We don't need as many charging stations as gas stations which EVERY ICE car must visit regularly.
Many EV owners never need to visit any public charging stations at all.

For purely local driving, sure.

But if you want to get further away…..it’s a different story.

[FultonMDUSA]

I feel many of the scoffing ICE fans on this forum are missing a very critical point about this announcement. This new charging network will contribute to the reduction of long lines and waits at *gas* stations over the next several years!

[Barry123]

Don't forget when ICE cars first hit the scene in the early 1900s, there were no gas stations. People had to go to their local hardware store to fill up a gas can.

And in case you're wondering, no I don't speak from personal experience...

Patience, grasshoppers.

[Jeff661]

Originally Posted by sittingmongoose

So if I want to drive to my sisters house across the country, I should just what? Take an obscure path through only major cities so that I can charge my car?
Also, I’m not just talking about rural areas, I’m talking about suburbs. I live in the 70th wealthy county in the US and have very few chargers near me. And many of the ones near me are broken 100% of the time.

So I’m sorry, catering to just the people who live in LA, NYC, DC city limits is not at all a solution.

There are supercharges and electrify America charging stations on major freeways all over the place. In the interstate Tesla charging stations are at most about 70 miles apart. Layer Electrify America and this new network in top of that and coverage won’t be the issue. The issue will be availability as the number of cars increases. For example, I can drive from LA to Phoenix with just one recharge. There are 4 EA locations in spots where a charge will get me there but if I get to that station and all the chargers are full that would be a problem. What we need next is a better reservation system and more bays at key locations.

[Jeff661]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

I feel many of the scoffing ICE fans on this forum are missing a very critical point about this announcement. This new charging network will contribute to the reduction of long lines and waits at *gas* stations over the next several years!

I’ve never waited in a line to by gas except at Costco.

[Jeff661]

Originally Posted by bandersen

Wow. 30,000 chargers.
13 million cars a year sold in rhe US (avg life expectancy 11 years).
Call me underwhelmed. And thankful for lCE.

How many home chargers are there. This is only DCFC. There are millions of level 2 chargers. The ICE people don’t seem to get that 99% of charging happens on level 2 chargers at home or at work. Most people go months without using a fast charger.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

This new charging network will contribute to the reduction of long lines and waits at *gas* stations over the next several years!

I've heard of long lines but have never seen it for myself. Been driving 24 years and have probably had to wait a minute or two for a free pump less times than I can count on one hand. The metro area in GA that I frequent doesn't seem to have this problem.

[Pictor]

Why are there suddenly so many uninformed comments here. Ah, front page news bringing in folks. Welcome and grab a seat.

No standards? ISO-15118 (look it up) Yes, there are several plugs globally but in the EU there is one standard for DCFC which is CCS2, in the US it's CCS1. The SC network in the EU also uses CCS2. NACS is not yet a standard -- yet. And the plug doesn't solve any problems other than it's a smaller handle. Most of the world uses ISO-15118 as a communication standard. Take a look at https://www.charin.global/community/ to get insight into the members who help define the standards - BMW is a founding member and the guys who run the SC network are there too.

There needs to be a standard on the charge port location. Like in gas cars? The Germans are the only ICE manufacturers that I've seen do this with their cars. American cars use all sorts of locations including hidden behind license plates if you go back a few decades. What side should the charger be on for a global car? Remember there are RHD and LHD cars. People want street side parking and charge at the same time. Sure you can standardize on the front or rear and there are tradeoffs with those locations as well. Think about towing, bike racks, accessible considerations, etc. This is not the biggest problem but it will improve as EVs move to bespoke platforms.

States asking people not to charge their EVs? References please. But In 2021 CA did ask people to conserve power during peak times which is typically in the afternoon and early evening. This is not the same thing as asking people not to charge their EVs. In fact there are quite a few utilities that charge a time of use rate meaning that it's more expensive to use electricity during peak hours. EVs are able to set times for charging so you take advantage of lower rates in the evenings and overnight. This often provides power companies added revenue during times where they have capacity but little demand. It works something like this, you charge once or twice a week and come home and plug in your car after work, the car is set to start charging at midnight when rates are lowest, you wake up in the morning ready to head into work with a 'full tank'. Think it's inconvenient waiting for your car to charge while you sleep? Look up ISO-15118-20 (V2G) for more ways EVs can help the grid.

Not enough dispensers for DCFC? True. EV's haven't been around for 120 years building infrastructure. Take away the free charging at EA and you'll see a quick reduction of people waiting for the remaining charging stations. The ONE open-to-all national DCFC network in the US is also notorious for slow or broken hardware. These car companies are looking for another option. Fantastic. In the mean time, I haven't had a problem charging at home or at work or even on trips to Canada from the US. Most charging is done when the car is at a destination vs in transit unless you're on a long road trip and that's generally when you need reliable DCFC stations. Otherwise, L2 (home, hotel, or business) charging is cheaper and better on the battery. 300+ miles real world range on a single charge is more than enough for me or my passengers to need to make a stop for bio breaks and a quick 15 minute top off at a working DCFC along the way.

The SC network being open to all; open in 2024; open in 2025; cheap... really? Their CEO has made promises before and rarely has he delivered on promised in a timely way. Cheap? Why do I see so many 3's and Y's at EA stations?

Where is VW? They run what is arguably the worst DCFC network in the US.

Where is Toyota? Asleep at the wheel, have you seen the BZ4X or the Subaru variant or Lexus variant? They're 5-10 years behind the ball and none of those cars would do well in a road trip unless you have lots of time on your hands. Who needs DCFC when your charging curve is so slow that my L2 EVSE will charge faster than the car can accept as you get to the upper end of the battery.

Think people are buying EVs only to save the planet? You must really think highly of OPEC+ and have something against torque in your daily driver.

[Barry123]

Longest charging line I had to deal with was the Tesla SC in Cheyenne, WY the morning of the solar eclipse in 2017. There were only 4 chargers and 10-15 cars waiting. SE WY was the closest path of totality to the Denver area.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

It’s only a matter of time before Tesla turns into the 21st century Tucker. 🤣

[Tch-Nrd]

Are people really bragging about getting 300 miles before needing to recharge?
I hope that's not a direct comparison to ICE BMWs?
If so, I get just over 600 miles (at over 70mph) in my X5 before I need to refill.
I fill my tank in shorter amount of time than it takes to charge an EV battery.
And before you say I'm an EV hater. I'm not hating on EVs, I legitimately plan to buy first gen Neue Klasse i3 or iX3 sav. As soon as my dealership will take my money, in the next 12-18 months or so. Hurry up already!!
In my test drives of the iX and i4 it was the quietness, solidity, instant torque and build quality that really piqued my interest in an EV. Really loved how the iX felt and handled.
Oh BTW, the iX digital panoramic roof shader is awesome!
My daughter laughed at me and walked away to sit in an XM, when I was playing with the pano dim button for 5 minutes straight at the dealership. The engaging sound on/off and watching the shade dim was great fun!

On topic: Good news they're adding 30k chargers. Sure we'll eventually need more, but this is a great start in the right direction! As everyone else has said, unless you're roadtripping across the country, most people (Over 90%) will mainly charge at home and/or work.

[ilya4min]

Originally Posted by bandersen

Wow. 30,000 chargers.
13 million cars a year sold in rhe US (avg life expectancy 11 years).
Call me underwhelmed. And thankful for lCE.

The US only has 145K gas stations, and that includes some stations that are not for cars. 30K is a large number. We should expect that Tesla will continue to scale up, and some gas companies will soon start adding chargers as well.

It's looking like in 5-7 years, EV chargers will become as prominent as gas stations today, if not more prominent. At that point, you'll stop adjusting your route based on charging, and will stop to charge whenever you want to stop for a restroom break, a snack, etc. People will pick charging stations based on the quality of a shop, a loyalty program, etc. - not based on the wait time or whether the charger works at all.

It'll be much easier to charge in rural areas than finding a fuel today, because you can install a solar-powered EV charger anywhere in the country and it'll work. No need to think about regular fuel deliveries, paying an attendant, etc.

ICE car enthusiasts will continue to enjoy their cars for a while, just like people still enjoy horseback riding or landline phones. It'll even become cooler to own an ICE car over time, so if you have something fashionable, definitely hold on to it!

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by Jeff661

I’ve never waited in a line to by gas except at Costco.

I’ve never had to wait in line inside my garage.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Jeff661

How many home chargers are there. This is only DCFC. There are millions of level 2 chargers. The ICE people don’t seem to get that 99% of charging happens on level 2 chargers at home or at work. Most people go months without using a fast charger.

Comments like this ignore the reality that a very large percentage of people simply cannot charge at home, work or anywhere else they park regularly. EVs won’t become the norm without delivering these drivers who can’t charge at home a charging solution that at least close to as time efficient as refueling ICE.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

I’ve never had to wait in line inside my garage.

Fair enough

My similar comment was just to say that I've never seen that issue over a significant amount of time. I'm not anti EV, actually excited for what could be, but nothing has really piqued my interest as of yet. There's plenty of time.