[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

Yep, it's maddening. My daughter has a Bolt in San Diego, and CCS charging there is an absolute dumpster fire. I am counting the minutes we can get that car on the Supercharger network. I have been following the GM forums because of this.

The GM forum folks are hopping around, digging up every possible rumor and clue, in hopes of going live soon.

Ugh I hope she has access to home charging. 50kw is a nightmare

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Maverick241

Ugh I hope she has access to home charging. 50kw is a nightmare

Nope, that's the challenge. Apartment living with no home charging.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

Nope, that's the challenge. Apartment living with no home charging.

bolt is great car, but not if you don’t have home or work charging.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

bolt is great car, but not if you don’t have home or work charging.

This exactly. The Bolt really is fantastic, I would highly recommend it, and I cannot believe that GM cancelled it.

I would recommend against owning a BEV for anyone who does not have easily available charging at home or work.

[NomoTesla]

There are no adapter delays, that is just smoke and mirrors. Rivian and Ford can get their adapters from Lectron or other sources. They don't have to use Tesla. But for whatever reason, Rivian and Ford are putting all of their eggs in the Tesla manufacturing basket. Which, given their history, is stupid.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

There are no adapter delays, that is just smoke and mirrors. Rivian and Ford can get their adapters from Lectron or other sources.

I don’t think we know this to be true. Third-parties released prototypes and pre-production units for review, but I don’t think anyone announced ability to manufacture in volume. Some of them had defects and recalls. GM only recently updated their website to indicate they might have multiple suppliers. And, Cadillac owners who ordered third-party adapters only just started receiving them.

[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

This exactly. The Bolt really is fantastic, I would highly recommend it, and I cannot believe that GM cancelled it.

I would recommend against owning a BEV for anyone who does not have easily available charging at home or work.

Yep I agree on both points. It's a shame GM didn't give it 100+ KW charging. Great little car.

[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

I don’t think we know this to be true. Third-parties released prototypes and pre-production units for review, but I don’t think anyone announced ability to manufacture in volume. Some of them had defects and recalls. GM only recently updated their website to indicate they might have multiple suppliers. And, Cadillac owners who ordered third-party adapters only just started receiving them.

Yep. Also as of now both Rivian and Ford recommend against using 3rd party adapters and said an issue arising from using one would void the warranty. Lectron already had a recall on adapter due to faulty latches.

[montr]

All the Tesla supercharger that I use have a short cable. The Tesla charge port is located in the back, on the driver side. When I charge my Tesla model Y, I have to back up close to the charger in order for the cable to reach the charge port. Is there anyone that know if BMW will move the location of the charge port in the iX in order to be compatible with the Tesla supercharger?

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by montr

All the Tesla supercharger that I use have a short cable. The Tesla charge port is located in the back, on the driver side. When I charge my Tesla model Y, I have to back up close to the charger in order for the cable to reach the charge port. Is there anyone that know if BMW will move the location of the charge port in the iX in order to be compatible with the Tesla supercharger?

I have not read anything from any automakers about moving the ports. I hope BMW moves it, but if they do, I don’t think it would be before LCI in 2026.

[mnx5er]

Originally Posted by montr

All the Tesla supercharger that I use have a short cable. The Tesla charge port is located in the back, on the driver side. When I charge my Tesla model Y, I have to back up close to the charger in order for the cable to reach the charge port. Is there anyone that know if BMW will move the location of the charge port in the iX in order to be compatible with the Tesla supercharger?

This is frustrating even today with various charging stations. I used a EA 350kw charger where I had to squeeze out of my door so the cable would reach. Every station has a different configuration. Wish everyone would but the charge port in the same place.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by Maverick241

Yep. Also as of now both Rivian and Ford recommend against using 3rd party adapters and said an issue arising from using one would void the warranty. Lectron already had a recall on adapter due to faulty latches.

This isn’t quite right. The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act prohibits this behavior in the US. The manufacturer needs to prove the part caused the failure and the act explicitly prohibits tie-in sales. So while a manufacturer (and EA) recommends against using third party components it cannot “void your warranty” for doing so.

[LeeInCT]

This is a great point! thanks !
just playing the devils advocate... this is not a tie-in sale. Ford is giving the adptors for free. Will this change the narrative?

Originally Posted by Pictor

This isn’t quite right. The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act prohibits this behavior in the US. The manufacturer needs to prove the part caused the failure and the act explicitly prohibits tie-in sales. So while a manufacturer (and EA) recommends against using third party components it cannot “void your warranty” for doing so.

[LeeInCT]

Since the NYT article, there has been a mini surge with media regarding this issue. Most of them just regurgitating NYT article's point, however.

[LeeInCT]

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/08/27...far-from-over/

one of those funnier articles i the bunch .... also tons of comments to read.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by LeeInCT

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/08/27/if-you-are-waiting-for-access-to-the-tesla-supercharger-network-your-wait-is-far-from-over/

one of those funnier articles i the bunch .... also tons of comments to read.

A bolt driver with 50 kWh charging capacity frustrated because he can’t get access to a 350 kWh Supercharger. Yes…I understand the frustration, but geez, if I was a Tesla owner this would irritate me to no end; clogging up high speed chargers with low speed non Tesla users. Perhaps Tesla is having second thoughts…with good reason. At this point Tesla’s competitive advantage is their Supercharger network. Seems to me a smarter approach would have been to limit access by manufacturer AND charging speed capacity of specific models. I guess I’m not as smart as Musk….

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by LeeInCT

This is a great point! thanks !
just playing the devils advocate... this is not a tie-in sale. Ford is giving the adptors for free. Will this change the narrative?

No change to the narrative. It's similar to using after market rims on a car and having the manufacturer say that the warranty is voided. The manufacturer would need to prove that the wheels directly caused a failure that resulted in the warranty claim.

[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by Pictor

This isn’t quite right. The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act prohibits this behavior in the US. The manufacturer needs to prove the part caused the failure and the act explicitly prohibits tie-in sales. So while a manufacturer (and EA) recommends against using third party components it cannot “void your warranty” for doing so.

Not worth the risk IMO. Good luck quoting that to a dealer

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

I don’t think we know this to be true. Third-parties released prototypes and pre-production units for review, but I don’t think anyone announced ability to manufacture in volume. Some of them had defects and recalls. GM only recently updated their website to indicate they might have multiple suppliers. And, Cadillac owners who ordered third-party adapters only just started receiving them.

Originally Posted by Maverick241

Yep. Also as of now both Rivian and Ford recommend against using 3rd party adapters and said an issue arising from using one would void the warranty. Lectron already had a recall on adapter due to faulty latches.

The point is that non-Tesla EV makers are not tied to buying these adapters from Tesla. Ford, Rivian, et al, can source their adapters from anyone they want. It is their *choice* to put all of their eggs in the Tesla basket and to make their customers wait while Tesla (as usual) gets its act together.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

The point is that non-Tesla EV makers are not tied to buying these adapters from Tesla. Ford, Rivian, et al, can source their adapters from anyone they want. It is their *choice* to put all of their eggs in the Tesla basket and to make their customers wait while Tesla (as usual) gets its act together.

It only looks like 3rd party adapters became available (at scale) within the past month. At the time Rivian & Ford onboarded, there was only one source. GM started distributing NACS adapter training guides to dealers, and it appears they are showing the Lectron adapter, which aligns with other rumors. So it appears that GM did not put their eggs solely in the Tesla basket. With other options coming online, I would not be surprised to see Ford & Rivian add them to their suppliers along with the other upcoming automakers expected to onboard soon.

The GM folks are anticipating release of the adapters and onboarding any day now.

[darylp310]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

The GM folks are anticipating release of the adapters and onboarding any day now.

Can't wait to give those Bolt owners more options besides EA!!!

[Kennethjk]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

I don’t think we know this to be true. Third-parties released prototypes and pre-production units for review, but I don’t think anyone announced ability to manufacture in volume. Some of them had defects and recalls. GM only recently updated their website to indicate they might have multiple suppliers. And, Cadillac owners who ordered third-party adapters only just started receiving them.

Numerous ford owners have been using non ford adaptors for a while without negative issues, although as you say some have been swapped out for “improved” models. A2Z and Lectron are 2 I have read about.

In The NY Times article GM did say they were still negotiating with Tesla. Is money the issue or terms which probably end up being money, that we don’t know.