[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by SoCali E36

Do you realize how cheap $800 a month is now a days? Especially on a $95k+ MSRP car?

Would you still have the M70 on the radar if there were no incentives and discounts?

It is still going to be about $1590/month on a 15k/yr lease, $0 down. So still more than a Tesla, etc. And you have to want the car to pay even this amount for a car. You seem to forget around 90% of EV drivers don't want to go back to ICE vehicles.Of course these numbers are assuming that Trump is going to take away the EV incentives shortly.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

It is still going to be about $1590/month on a 15k/yr lease. So still more than a Tesla, etc. And you have to want the car to pay even this amount for a car. You seem to forget around 90% of EV drivers don't want to go back to ICE vehicles.

My financed iX payment isn't anywhere close to that. Your number doesn't sound right to me.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by SoCali E36

You are one of the very few, I can confidently tell you that.

We are the few that know the secret.

[SoCali E36]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

We are the few that know the secret.

I think you are the few who these cars are geared towards but with heavy incentives and discounts, are temping to the majority who wouldn’t consider these cars otherwise. And honestly, there’s nothing wrong with that.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by SoCali E36

I think you are the few who these cars are geared towards but with heavy incentives and discounts, are temping to the majority who wouldn’t consider these cars otherwise.

Majority isn’t looking at $90-120k cars to begin with. The great leases are bringing them into the fold for sure.

I’d probably still be in a polestar or maybe an i4 if this car wasn’t available at such a great price. I consider myself very fortunate.

To someone else’s point: I would not be in any other new ICE car. That ship has sailed for me. Absolutely, positively not.

[NeedMMM]

Originally Posted by Roki

While not in these numbers, we purchased a used iX M60 in January to replace a X5 45e. Thinking the iX will help us wait out the arrival of the new iX5.

What color is this? Looks fantastic!

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

It is still going to be about $1590/month on a 15k/yr lease. So still more than a Tesla, etc. And you have to want the car to pay even this amount for a car. You seem to forget around 90% of EV drivers don't want to go back to ICE vehicles.

That’s $200 higher than my lease but mine was 10k miles/yr and no money down except taxes and fees, MSRP $120k. I’ve priced out a comparable x plaid and it’s $8k down $1400/mo. So it is more expensive because if you take the down payment over the term it is $1600/mo.

If you go with a lower iX trim now you can likely get under $1000/mo (excluding tariffs).

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

My financed iX payment isn't anywhere close to that. Your number doesn't sound right to me.

Well just rough numbers. On a $130k, car, financed at 60 months is $2166 month, without any incentives or down payments, but not including interest either. So yes, big enough down payment, and you can get the monthly down as much as you want. Do you have an M60, or ordering an M70? Window sticker?

[geh]

My in-production 2026 iX xDrive60 has an MSRP of $104,925. With discounts and incentives, my 36 month, 15K miles per year monthly lease cost is $1129. $0 downpayment, $4619 due at signing.

[darylp310]

Originally Posted by geh

My in-production 2026 iX xDrive60 has an MSRP of $104,925. With discounts and incentives, my 36 month, 15K miles per year monthly lease cost is $1129. $0 downpayment, $4619 due at signing.

This more normal. You could have squeezed a bit more, but very reasonable. There's wiggle room here, so I think with tariffs a good deal will look similar to this going forward.

Originally Posted by hotrod182

It is still going to be about $1590/month on a 15k/yr lease, $0 down. So still more than a Tesla, etc. And you have to want the car to pay even this amount for a car. You seem to forget around 90% of EV drivers don't want to go back to ICE vehicles.Of course these numbers are assuming that Trump is going to take away the EV incentives shortly.

On average, with $0 down, you can lease a BMW iX with a monthly payment of about 1% of MSRP. So A $100K car would cost around $1,000/month, and we could bump it to $1,050 to allow for the extra mileage. A $100K Model X with the same lease terms is $1,800/month.

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

No surprise that i4 and iX sales are so strong, both had strong support with heavily subsidized lease programs. Particularly, people who were in bad negative equity scenarios, looked for those types of lease deals to help offset all the negative equity.

Thanks to the great lease deal on the i4 last month I did just that. Traded in my 6 month old Tesla Model 3 Performance for an i4 M50. Lost my ass on the Tesla but couldn’t stand having any association with the brand any longer so bit the bullet. The lease deals definitely helped make the transition back to BMW possible.

[feralist]

I just signed a deal on 3/29 for a 2025 iX xDrive50. 100k MSRP, 36 mos @ 12k miles/yr, paying $810 a month, only thing due at signing was my first month payment

[Jeff661]

Originally Posted by geh

My in-production 2026 iX xDrive60 has an MSRP of $104,925. With discounts and incentives, my 36 month, 15K miles per year monthly lease cost is $1129. $0 downpayment, $4619 due at signing.

Add 25% to that now.

[darylp310]

Originally Posted by Jeff661

Add 25% to that now.

You're right that it will go up, but ~10% is more likely since the tariff is on the importers cost not directly on the MSRP.

(There’s not necessarily a linear relationship between the wholesale cost and retail price. )

I have a crazy idea! Since BMW US (importer) is wholly owned by the the German entity BMW AG, I wonder if there’s a clever way for them to just lower invoice price to reduce the impact of the tariff?

For example, instead of paying $60K to import an $80K iX, BMW AG would reduce the import cost to $10K, so the tariff would be only $2,500 instead of $15,000.

The profit would stay in the US entity, but accounting wise, as a subsidiary the P&L boost still helps the BMW AG parent company financials in the same way. Also, BMW US can just pay a "license fee" or something to repatriate the money back to Germany, etc.

There's going to be so much clever financial engineering by MBAs and CPAs of these international conglomerates to avoid paying these tariffs.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by darylp310

You're right that it will go up, but ~10% is more likely since the tariff is on the importers cost not directly on the MSRP.

(There’s not necessarily a linear relationship between the wholesale cost and retail price. )

I have a crazy idea! Since BMW US (importer) is wholly owned by the the German entity BMW AG, I wonder if there’s a clever way for them to just lower invoice price to reduce the impact of the tariff?

For example, instead of paying $60K to import an $80K iX, BMW AG would reduce the import cost to $10K, so the tariff would be only $2,500 instead of $15,000.

The profit would stay in the US entity, but accounting wise, as a subsidiary the P&L boost still helps the BMW AG parent company financials in the same way. Also, BMW US can just pay a "license fee" or something to repatriate the money back to Germany, etc.

There's going to be so much clever financial engineering by MBAs and CPAs of these international conglomerates to avoid paying these tariffs.

That's called Fraud.
Enjoy your new taxes.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Well just rough numbers. On a $130k, car, financed at 60 months is $2166 month, without any incentives or down payments, but not including interest either. So yes, big enough down payment, and you can get the monthly down as much as you want. Do you have an M60, or ordering an M70? Window sticker?

The M60 is $130k now? I've seen loaded i7s with cheaper stickers at my local dealer.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

That's called Fraud.
Enjoy your new taxes.

Our new administration is filled with corrupt criminals who commit fraud regularly. Committing fraud is something we should all aspire to now. They're the ones setting the example for the rest of us. I say let's give it to them.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

Our new administration is filled with corrupt criminals who commit fraud regularly. Committing fraud is something we should all aspire to now. They're the ones setting the example for the rest of us. I say let's give it to them.

It’s not fraud. It’s called being smart.

This admin just pardoned Trevor Milton, founder of Nikola and convicted of bilking investors (fraud). But he gave money to trump, so 🤷‍♂️

Americans love it. They celebrate it. They elect leaders who vow to commit it.

[Roki]

[QUOTE=NeedMMM;31987947]What color is this? Looks fantastic!

It’s Black Sapphire Metallic with XPEL Stealth PPF

[Louis barron]

Looks so cool I need one of this

[Jeff661]

Originally Posted by darylp310

You're right that it will go up, but ~10% is more likely since the tariff is on the importers cost not directly on the MSRP.

(There’s not necessarily a linear relationship between the wholesale cost and retail price. )

I have a crazy idea! Since BMW US (importer) is wholly owned by the the German entity BMW AG, I wonder if there’s a clever way for them to just lower invoice price to reduce the impact of the tariff?

For example, instead of paying $60K to import an $80K iX, BMW AG would reduce the import cost to $10K, so the tariff would be only $2,500 instead of $15,000.

The profit would stay in the US entity, but accounting wise, as a subsidiary the P&L boost still helps the BMW AG parent company financials in the same way. Also, BMW US can just pay a "license fee" or something to repatriate the money back to Germany, etc.

There's going to be so much clever financial engineering by MBAs and CPAs of these international conglomerates to avoid paying these tariffs.

It’s going to be a lot more than 10% extra. I get that it’s based on the price charged to BMW NA but that’s not 40% of what you pay. I would guess that you are looking at 20% import fee.

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by EV Fan

I'm not surprised that iX sales have risen. Even going into a refresh, nothing about it feels out of date, unlike EVs such as the Audi Q4, which was a couple of years past its prime before the Q6 was released.

My wife traded in her Tesla Model Y Performance for an iX. The iX is quiet, comfortable, incredible audio system and a perfect EV for everyday things - we’ve taken it for 500+ mile trips with charging on the way in the east coast. We’ve had no trouble with charging. I do wish it had a faster charger, but overall, the quality has held up well with zero rattles and still driving like new. We got it fully optioned out, and at the time it was still cheaper than a Tesla Model X. The iX had no other real competitor from what I recall…