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As to whether it is "BS", it's a valid observation, but it is no more BS than standard EPA MPG ratings. There's a reason the dealer says "your mileage may vary".
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03-24-2012, 01:53 PM | #69 | |
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If BMW was to give the i8 a bit more performance at the sacrifice of MPG it would better serve those looking for a "halo" car. BMWi is about efficiency but it does not need to blow things out of proportion, they must find the happy medium as currently there is next to nothing efficient in this class of cars- TESLA doesn't count to me as BMWi is not being shoehorned. I love the i8 as is but with 10,000 sales as the goal they are going to need to approximate the desires of the masses- lawyers/doctors/brokers etc. that want to drive this rather than a 911 or Ferrari to show they have money, speed and EFFICIENCY. Marketing and final output is going to be real interesting. I still think that CAR is off in this prediction- they guessed wrong with the M5, M6 where we and others were spot on... the number they have is not the same as what I have heard whispered.
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Are people serious about applauding the sound of it? Sounds like a tractor to me
Oh, and there's already a fast electric car on the market (albeit with some issues), the Tesla Roadster
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Because its a lot harder to balance acceleration, top speed, and efficiency with a small amount of gear ratios. Which would make it pointless to have a hybrid sports car. I'm not saying its impossible, but that news is a little discouraging.
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03-24-2012, 03:14 PM | #72 | |
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The R8 transformed the image of the Audi brand. The SLS got Merc back in Ferrari territory. OT: I do agree that the i8 could be a brilliant innovative new direction by BMW.
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03-24-2012, 03:58 PM | #73 | |
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MPG - refers to how many miles the car can go per gallon of gas. Whether it is clean energy is a separate topic. But, nowhere in that release do they talk about carbon footprints or total pollution, etc. I agree that electric vehicles are not "green"; at least in the US. The energy and pollution required to manufacture and, ultimately, recycle their batteries is not well publicized either. You can't blame BMW to responding to the electric kool-aid. Cleaning up the US grid is the US's responsibility, not BMW's. Last edited by Singletrack; 03-24-2012 at 04:03 PM.. |
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03-24-2012, 03:59 PM | #74 | |
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In Geneva - an Audi marketing counterpart mentioned briefly the reports to the next M3 returning to a six when the RS 4 is a V8. In the industry we normally do our "Back stabbing" walking from stand-stand. The RS 4 might have a V8 but it is still an A4. Like the RS 5 is still an A5 and still is not even close to the current E92 M3. The new F31 is again like the sedan counterpart going to leave the A4 Avant behind. And just to make another point - The E91 still does too. The SLS AMG is perhaps the best looking Mercedes-Benz today , clean and very efficient in design simplicity. The launch of the SLS AMG came at the same time as the Ferrari 458 Italia and the Ferrari received the plaudits over the SLS AMG as was expected. It might have taken Mercedes-Benz back to Ferrari territory but it still is no Ferrari. I give credit, as the SLS AMG is a better car than the SLR-McLaren Disco Express - An automotive equivalent of a twelve-inch remix no-one wanted , again lost between the Carerra GT and the Ferrari Enzo.
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BMW i8 will be a halo car.
It's making electric cars practical for every day usage. However much I hate to say it, it's bye bye soot chuckers, bye bye v12's and bye bye bhp race. Electricity can still work in a drivers car, instant throttle response, greater efforts towards weight reduction and we are already listening to synthetic noises in the cockpit thanks to the m5. Changing times, could be cool |
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And as much as I dream of R8, and would purchase it over the i8, I agree with Scott, the v10 supercar has been done before. BMW is doing something never attempted before by a major car mfg (Tesla is seen by many consumers as a risky venture company). |
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Hilarious to listen to "halo car" get thrown around on a BMW board.
They don't have one now, they have never had one (no...the M1 doesn't count since Lambo designed and built the originals), and they still won't when the i8 arrives either. |
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Anyway, I also disagree with you because in Europe and Canada, there are a lot of renewable energies. Wind power, solar power, ocean power, etc. No, the technologies are still not mature yet, but I totally encourage it because if we, the human kind, don't even try to develop it, then it will never have progress. I also hope that American can follow those "leaders" very soon. The question about i8 is the battery it uses. I remember that I read an article about the electric cars' battery. Most hybrid cars(Prius) use one single huge battery. The problem is that after 5 years when the battery need to be changed, it is hard to recycle the battery which is totally not green. In another article, it says that BMWi is using a different kind of technology. I think it combines a lot of smaller size batteries into one battery so it can be recycle easily. It is a little bit like... MacBook Air's battery? I don't know. Maybe I remember it wrong, so don't start a fight over this. I just hope that i8 is a truly green vehicle so that it can be a leader/model in the industry. |
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Uh... Lambo started, but then they quit. If I remember it right, the M1 was a 100% Bavarian. Well, almost 100% maybe because BMW finished the project on their own. And then ///M Power was born!
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As for the i brand - BMW has taken on a monumental task with this. BMW has already convinced the world that is builds a driver's car - and enjoys tremendous success with that. Now BMW is trying to be known as having an distinct fleet of the most efficient-yet-dynamic vehicles. Where the world has truly pointed out that it appreciates a driver's car, it will be interesting to see if the world is looking for efficient dynamics yet. Many "green-initiative" makers have tried efficient cars by way of electric vehicles (Toyota somewhat pioneered here with useable - and marketable - hybrids) but with the much anticipated and yet seemingly lackluster launch of the Volt and even the Karma and Tesla, it seems to me the world (aka the Consumer) is saying they love the idea but when shopping they would rather stick to what they know best. It's a terrific endeavor and quite a gamble on BMW's part and I sincerely hope they can pull it off... If not this go-around then in 2050 when it becomes so important that consumers won't have a choice and BMW will be known as having "cool" efficient vehicles.
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I commend BMW for taking initiative and making such a "green" car. However, I would never buy it. I'm not spending $100K+ for MPG...I'd rather buy a Volt if I care so much about MPG and save myself a hell of a lot of money.
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