[Mako]

always liked the 4 grancoupe look, kind of like this, but would be first car I ever ordered de-badged. This isn't a M,

I get its the high performance version, but the M badge on there is too much (and thats coming from someone who has a X3MC, although I hate the competition badge on it).

ideal garage might just be this and a cayman/boxster GTS 4.0

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

The order screen says 3.7 0-60mph. And BMW is pretty conservative. Perhaps it is at 50% SOC? My i3s is rated around 6.7 sec, I have achieved 5.9 with 1ft rollout. So while people say the Bolt is quicker than an i3 on paper, in reality it isn't.

It’ll be interesting to see where any performance drop off comes in. The press release mentions that they intend for people to boot it over and over and get the full can of beans, but that at some point the car won’t do it anymore

A specially designed boost function that can be activated on demand by the driver is available whenever SPORT mode is engaged and is used to unleash the maximum output of both motors for quickest acceleration. The Sport Boost function increases the system’s combined drive power by 67 hp to its maximum of 536 hp for over ten seconds. At the same time, combined torque is upped by 48 lb-ft to 586 lb-ft. The extra burst of acceleration is accompanied by an M-specific soundtrack.

To allow maximum power to be summoned in situations where the car’s performance capabilities are being really put to the test, the Sport Boost function can be activated several times in succession if the high-voltage battery has enough charge. Every time the driver accelerates, a fuel gauge-style icon in the instrument cluster shows how much extra power is available and for how long.

I should add that this is especially important because driving an EV means flooring it at every opportunity if I go WOT in my catless Z4M, everybody within a half mile knows it, harder to drive like a dbag that way

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by jgrgnt

240 miles might not sound like much, but if the i4 is like other German EVs, you will likely get 240 miles of usable range, maybe more.

Agree! I get about that in my 2019 Tesla P3D…rated at 300 miles. The biggest elephant in the room will the the charging network. Tesla is the leader… BMW partnered with EVgo, which has a sub-par number of locations currently. Thankfully Electrify America (VWAG) is built out more and can support the longer trips.

I put a reservation down on an i4 M50 and an iX (for the Mrs)…looking forward to getting the option details in the fall.

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by Mako

always liked the 4 grancoupe look, kind of like this, but would be first car I ever ordered de-badged. This isn't a M,

I get its the high performance version, but the M badge on there is too much (and thats coming from someone who has a X3MC, although I hate the competition badge on it).

ideal garage might just be this and a cayman/boxster GTS 4.0

I believe it’s more of an ///M car than the M550i, M340i, etc… M GmbH tuned it.

[snareman]

Forget the outside and the battery life, what about the interior? The new screens are pretty and all, but this move of car manufacturers to rid vehicles of hard buttons and make everything on the screen and via menus is a bad move. One of the great features has been the 8 programmable buttons has been a wonderful feature. They recently got rid of the A/C button and now to turn it on and off you have to either talk to the car or wade through the menus. Who is beta testing these things?

[Mikendallas]

So this car has no frunk?

[Mako]

interesting BMW USA Website says 0-60 in 3.7 seconds for the i4 M50

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Certainly comparisons to the EV market leader are natural (and fair), but there are other players in the game now too. I'm going to avoid the T word for a moment to look at another potential competitor that has been getting very favorable press and whose range topping model is coming to market later this year: the Ford Mach-E.

In particular, let's pit the top of the line i4 M50 against the top-of-the-line Mach-E GT Performance.

…

Would be nice to compare the weights

i4, Mustang, Model 3

[Mr.E46M3]

Why would anyone buy anything but a Tesla now? maybe in 5-10yrs when others have caught up makes more sense.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by E46M3Ceylon

Why would anyone buy anything but a Tesla now? maybe in 5-10yrs when others have caught up makes more sense.

because Tesla still has subpar build quality and they look boring as hell.
This looks 100X better than a model 3, inside and out

and with tax credit is similar in price to Tesla performance model (since Tesla credits are gone). granted Tesla "might" be quicker, power numbers seem to be similar though, maybe the i4 weighs a lot more?

But it is a race, Tesla to improve build quality and luxury vs others to catch up on battery tech.
anyone who thinks Tesla is worth more than these other companies combined is insane though (and thats what their stock value is indicating $591 billion, while BMW is $58 billion Euro, so Tesla worth 8-10X what BMW is???)

[khailuan]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

What's puzzling is that

Model 3 does:

0-60 in 3.1secs
315mi of range
With only 450hp

For $57k

So it's faster, more efficient, longer range and cheaper

:

And you can buy it TODAY
And this is even with their older cells not the 4680

Also all model 3 perf come with Michelin PS4s and don't have to win the lottery like with the M3/4 currently

What's funny is that I merely pointed out i4 M50's power figures and acceleration time.

If you want to make it a comparison, your point is well taken. The Tesla model 3 perf is the better value. However, some are willing to pay more for superior interior, build quality, reliability, network of easily accessible dealerships for after sales service and perhaps most importantly: class. None of which the Tesla model 3 perf can offer. Although I'm not a fan of the grill but at least it doesn't look like a mazda 3. The i4 M50 will be sought after to differentiate from the more common model 3 that we see so many on the road already. In the end I think it's a slightly differentiate target clientele.

[BMWRL]

I'm really digging this, might be my next car

[Nahlem]

The car looks good, range will be plenty for most of us, a good attempt at a first sports sedan what i am curious now about will they release a proper M version of the i4 with the current battery tech or are they waiting for the 2025 solid state battery release.

But sens my lease on my i3s will end soon this might be the one to go with for me, the range is more then enough and we have enough chargers in Sweden to make it livable, for me a tesla model 3 was never an option not so much of the looks or so but there is some questionable build issues witch makes the model 3 hard to live with especially in Sweden during winters, it is simply not made for our harsh road conditions with so much salt use on the roads that it would feed the whole continent of Africa. BMWs that i have owned so far has been very reliable in our road conditions.

I'm following the Tesla model 3 Swedish forums and many have reported some worrying issues in regards to quality.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by khailuan

What's funny is that I merely pointed out i4 M50's power figures and acceleration time.

If you want to make it a comparison, your point is well taken. The Tesla model 3 perf is the better value. However, some are willing to pay more for superior interior, build quality, reliability, network of easily accessible dealerships for after sales service and perhaps most importantly: class. None of which the Tesla model 3 perf can offer. Although I'm not a fan of the grill but at least it doesn't look like a mazda 3. The i4 M50 will be sought after to differentiate from the more common model 3 that we see so many on the road already. In the end I think it's a slightly differentiate target clientele.

That's true. One of the major issues is the whole dealership thing, if you happen to get into an accident and need parts, you can be screwed for a few months but i guess that's because they can't keep up with demand.

Honestly I wish Tesla would go and buy out a quality automaker like BMW so you can have the powertrain of a Tesla with the build quality of a BMW

Win-win

Good thing about the i4 is that it probably won't have OFHG, valve cover or oil pan leaks

[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by E46M3Ceylon

Why would anyone buy anything but a Tesla now? maybe in 5-10yrs when others have caught up makes more sense.

Have you been inside a Tesla? The interior is atrocious

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by The J-Man

My post went over your head, actually, and it was extremely valuable insight.

I understood your post exactly as it was written. And your extremely valuable insight is negated by the simple fact that any new EV beats your old i3 by pretty much any measure.

[thaalrasha]

Climate control stuff is on screen now... no button to turn you AC on off or seat heating ... Even audi back tracked on this on the etron GT and had dedicated buttons back for climate control. I thought BMW was smarter than that.

[bavarianride]

Although I can't understand a word, but this is a nice walkaround of i4. It looks very nice!

I just notice the tech data says 45.1/54.9 and 48.1/51.9 for 40 and M50, I do wonder how does it drive without 50/50?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by TruthOne

Have you been inside a Tesla? The interior is atrocious

From the functional standpoint, it's really nice actually.

The most surprising part is seats: they seem very primitive but they work as well or better than any BMW seat short of the multifunction seats in 5 series or up. And I'm speaking from my personal experience of 1/3/5/X5 (all had the upgraded seats, either sports or M or multifunction) vs Model 3.

No buttons? BMW has just removed a bunch of them too.

And Tesla's HVAC system is still miles ahead of anything available in any car at a similar price point.

But yeah, it does look ugly compared to the photos in the top post.

[CP911]

I have read/heard from Tesla owners that the car's performance starts to suffer as the range decreases and/or if the car is subject to repeated hard accelerations. However, those who've driven the Porsche Taycan will tell you it will still drive like a Porsche from full charge to empty.

I have faith that BMW will not disappoint in this regard. We shall see, but the Germans tend to be conservative with their ratings and specs, whereas I feel like Tesla might be a bit misleading when you only look at their 0-60 times and range specs without also considering how the car performs through the entire battery charge cycle. I personally don't like the concept of eeking out the claimed mileage range by holding back performance to do it.

As for the i4 trims, the eDrive40 seems like a far better proposition. 335hp with instant torque and RWD seems like a blast, not to mention more affordable with significantly better range. That's the one I'd buy if I were in the market.

[zapp]

It's just annoying how BMW keeps ruining the looks of their new cars with this ugly beaver face..



Just look at the current 5 series elegant appearance vs. this..

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by snareman

Forget the outside and the battery life, what about the interior? The new screens are pretty and all, but this move of car manufacturers to rid vehicles of hard buttons and make everything on the screen and via menus is a bad move. One of the great features has been the 8 programmable buttons has been a wonderful feature. They recently got rid of the A/C button and now to turn it on and off you have to either talk to the car or wade through the menus. Who is beta testing these things?

IIRC, this is somewhat of a preview of what the LCI will bring for the G2x/G8x platforms as well. Probably not a full implementation like this for iDrive 8 but supposed to be pretty similar I believe from other rumors/rumblings posted on here.