[sor]

Meanwhile EVgo is aggressively rolling out NACS and many sites are showing up. Of course one doesn’t need an adapter at a site that has both, and ultimately this is what we need. Otherwise the switch will never go smoothly - manufacturers won’t jump to putting NACS on the car side if it means they become natively Tesla-only cars, they’ll stick with adapters to avoid lock in.

I honestly think it will be awhile before we see NACS come from factory on cars. The adapters allow auto makers to hedge their bets and until it is ubiquitous at places like EA there’s just no chance they’ll build it in. EVgo seems to be doing their part but EA are AWOL.

[darylp310]

Since the NACS is electronically the same as CCS1 underneath the hood, manufacturers could install NACS at the factory and provide options for NACS->CCS adapters too! That’s what Tesla users do to today in a pinch.

[thebishman]

In regards to ‘sor’ post above:

The NCAS systems that EVGo are installing: do you need a Tesla app in order for this to work, or just the usual EVGo app; plug in with a NCAS to CCS1 adapter and it works?

Just wondering about future road trip options.

TIA

[darylp310]

EvGO has their own app and you can use NACS, CCS, or Chademo depending on what the dispenser has available.

Please keep in mind that NACS is now a standard and no longer proprietary to Tesla. Although Tesla has the largest and most robust network so it’s quite attractive for us to be able to use!

[jheitz]

There is also the small problem that the iX has the charging port on the wrong side of the car. Most Tesla superchargers have a short cable that won't reach the iX charging port unless parked at the wrong stall. That makes the next stall unusable for any car... other than another iX . I wouldn't count on many of those short cables being replaced by longer ones.

Is there any chance that someone can make a CCS-NACS adapter that incorporates an extension cord?

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by jheitz

Is there any chance that someone can make a CCS-NACS adapter that incorporates an extension cord?

That is a great idea…but I suspect any cable extension would need cooling.

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by darylp310

EvGO has their own app and you can use NACS, CCS, or Chademo depending on what the dispenser has available.

Please keep in mind that NACS is now a standard and no longer proprietary to Tesla. Although Tesla has the largest and most robust network so it’s quite attractive for us to be able to use!

So, one could use an EVGO NACS dispenser with an aftermarket NCAS TO CCS1 adapter as an additional option whilst traveling.

Great news! Thanks

[LeeInCT]

EVgo has a lot of 50KW chargers around my area. Hopefully with them expanding, they can also improve their maintenance consistency with the chargers.

[sor]

Originally Posted by darylp310

Since the NACS is electronically the same as CCS1 underneath the hood, manufacturers could install NACS at the factory and provide options for NACS->CCS adapters too! That’s what Tesla users do to today in a pinch.

Yeah, I just figure we won’t see this (native NACS on the car) until there is more than just Tesla available for charging natively. Otherwise it’s a form of lock-in. Yes there’s the adapter but nobody wants to be in a situation where Tesla kicks your cars off the network and now you must have an adapter everywhere you go. And with how rough the transition is going so far I can see manufacturers being shy about having faith and putting the port in the car soon.


We need the Ionna network to come online, EA retrofit, EVgo and ChargePoint to expand, etc.

[thebishman]

Having any sort of faith in Musk’s mindset is asking for trouble, but the man loves money so is not likely to try and reverse the decisions that have made the NACS the new defacto DCFC standard, especially since there’s Federal subsidy money involved. If he tried to shut out certain brands or even all EVs bar Tesla, he’d find himself in court in very short order.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by thebishman

So, one could use an EVGO NACS dispenser with an aftermarket NCAS TO CCS1 adapter as an additional option whilst traveling.

That's the only reason I cary the Lectron NACS to CCS1 adapter. However, it's next to useless given only some EVgo sites have the NACS port and those are generally slow and surrounded by better options from Flo or EA. I've used the NACS to J1772 adapter much more. That said, I would rather have the option because of having the adapter than not.

This is somewhat anecdotal but as CCS1 continues to deploy, I'm finding the lack of SC network option being less of a problem. Here are three recent examples that I've run into:

Hawaii (Oahu): Earlier this year I rented a EQB and charged at a hotel that had destination chargers. Around the island there were plenty of slow HPC chargers mostly single dispensers in the 50kW range but the island is small and this did the job. I could find DC chargers scattered throughout the island on the populated areas as well as in the north shore. There were also plenty of J1772 L2 chargers just about everywhere. Last month I rented a Model 3 and had the opposite experience. There is only one SC site east of Honolulu and without a CCS1 to NACS adapter I was screwed having to either deal with a J1772 charger on the north end of the island or drive over the hill and onto the opposite corner (1-hour drive+) to the only SC site. Some hotels in Waikiki had NACS destination chargers but they were generally full with T*. Next time I'm back in HI I'm renting a CCS car until there are more SC locations unless the NACS car has a CCS1 to NACS adapter.

Upstate NY (finger lakes region): The only game in town a few years ago were the SC and a few L2 chargers. The SC sites were generally full but you could at least wait 5 minutes to get an available SC. As of May, there are CCS1 DCFC distributed enough where you can plan a trip pretty easily. The SC sites seem to have queues and the L2 situation is still horrible. Today I would opt for a CCS1 car when driving to the finger lakes region although they still need more L2 chargers in areas where those chargers would be convenient.

Seattle east side: I live in this area so I don't normally use the public charging network unless it's an opportunistic charge. I know where all the SC sites are as well as most all CC1 sites. Most SC locations are pretty large in comparison to the CCS sites. The CCS sites range from the single 150kW dispenser (BP Pulse using Freewire) or 6 350kW dispensers and everything in between. Yesterday I tried to help someone who clearly didn't know what they were doing with their new Model 3 at an EVgo site so I stopped to help the "new to EV" driver. They were at 20% SoC and freaking out that they were about to run out of electricity and didn't understand why they couldn't charge their car on a CCS or CHAdeMO cable. They lived in an apartment and didn't have access to a L2 charger but lived within a mile. Within about a mile drive I could point them to 4 different CCS1 locations. There was a single EVgo charger that had a NACS plug about 3 miles away but PlugShare showed the dispenser was having problems. But within 3 miles there were about a dozen different CCS1 locations with multiple working dispensers. It was then that I realized that all the SC stations were about 8 miles in every direction but there was nothing available to them other than the T* dealer around the corner. I gave them a few suggestions and assured them that 20% SoC on their 3 would be enough to make it to any of the surrounding SC sites if they didn't want to go to the dealer.

Bottom line, I know it's good to have options but I don't think the SC network is going to solve many of the problems with public charging. Many of the SC sites in areas where more charging is needed are also inundated with traffic so opening them to CCS cars won't solve problems. In many rural areas, CCS charging seems to be picking up even if they're singleton sites. We need more charging but I also need many more L2 charging at hotels or places where people spend lots of time in. Having one or two L2 chargers at a hotel is a joke but it lets hoteliers check the box that they offer the amenity. Hotels need at minimum a 5% ratio of rooms to L2 chargers and in some other areas that number needs to be at least 10% to meet today's needs. In reality that number needs to be higher if they're planning for the next couple of years.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by Pictor

Upstate NY (finger lakes region): The only game in town a few years ago were the SC [...]

You are spot on with regard to hotel chargers. I traveled to Kansas City several weeks ago and was fortunate to have found a hotel with L2 charging..so convenient. I wouldn’t care if they added a big surcharge…just give me the option in more places. Conversely I stayed at at a newer Lowe’s hotel (large and fairly upscale) in downtown Kansas City last winter and the closest L2 chargers were 1/2 mile away in a pay to park parking garage. I instead drove my ICE vehicle on that trip. I filed a suggestion with Lowe’s consierge though I’m sure it fell on deaf ears.

[LeeInCT]

2025 ioniq 5 will be NACS

https://insideevs.com/news/732351/2025-ioniq-5-xrt/

"The 2025 Ioniq 5 should be easier to get home, too. U.S. models will come from the factory with Tesla's NACS port, providing adapter-free access to 17,000 Tesla Superchargers. The Ioniq 5 will be the first non-Tesla EV sold here with a native NACS plug, beating cars like the Rivian R2 to the punch. Notably, however, the 2025 Ioniq 5's charging port will be on the passenger side rear of the vehicle. Tesla Superchargers are all built for Tesla vehicles, which have their ports on the driver side rear. Because most have short cables, using a vehicle with a charging port in another location requires double parking, something that's bound to irritate both Ioniq 5 and Tesla owners. Rivian had to move its port to solve this problem. "

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by LeeInCT

2025 ioniq 5 will be NACS

Outstanding! This has been the rumor for a while, but this is the first I have read somewhat of a confirmation.

[jimbg]

Originally Posted by LeeInCT

2025 ioniq 5 will be NACS

https://insideevs.com/news/732351/2025-ioniq-5-xrt/

"The 2025 Ioniq 5 should be easier to get home, too. U.S. models will come from the factory with Tesla's NACS port, providing adapter-free access to 17,000 Tesla Superchargers. The Ioniq 5 will be the first non-Tesla EV sold here with a native NACS plug, beating cars like the Rivian R2 to the punch. Notably, however, the 2025 Ioniq 5's charging port will be on the passenger side rear of the vehicle. Tesla Superchargers are all built for Tesla vehicles, which have their ports on the driver side rear. Because most have short cables, using a vehicle with a charging port in another location requires double parking, something that's bound to irritate both Ioniq 5 and Tesla owners. Rivian had to move its port to solve this problem. "

Some photo's from the UK where we are already using the Tesla network, not easy on the ones where the cable has not been made longer!

[NomoTesla]

I wish those Tesla a-holes would stay the hell out of our non-Tesla charging networks. It's infuriating to see a Tesla hogging up one of three functional EA chargers when there are empty Tesla superchargers down the street. I literally saw this happen in LA.

GET THE F* OFF MY NETWORK TESLA BROS!

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

I wish those Tesla a-holes would stay the hell out of our non-Tesla charging networks. It's infuriating to see a Tesla hogging up one of three functional EA chargers when there are empty Tesla superchargers down the street. I literally saw this happen in LA.

GET THE F* OFF MY NETWORK TESLA BROS!

I see that all the time too. I guess they don't know about the "best" charging network.

[montr]

Originally Posted by Pictor

I see that all the time too. I guess they don't know about the "best" charging network.

I have a Tesla Model Y 2020 with 78k miles and I have the Tesla CCS to NACS adapter for DC charging. I have used it only twice in my more than 4Y of ownership, in locations that was more convenient for shopping and for a restaurant nearby. It is not because the Tesla SuperCharger did not work. They are the best and I never have to wait for a charging stall. With the adapter, I have more charging locations to choose from.

I am considering getting a BMW iX when they will switch to the NACS system and hopefully move the charging port to a location compatible with the Tesla charging network. Every month, I do a 600+ miles round-trip with multiple conveniently located Tesla SuperCharger.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by montr

I am considering getting a BMW iX when they will switch to the NACS system and hopefully move the charging port to a location compatible with the Tesla charging network. Every month, I do a 600+ miles round-trip with multiple conveniently located Tesla SuperCharger.

I went from a Model Y to a BMW iX, and I absolutely love this car. I loved the Model Y too - it was flawless and exceeded my expectations in every possible way.

But the iX is just so choice. The B&W sound system crushes the MY. The cabin is absolutely silent. And the ride is so smooth while also capable of spirited handling. And the range of this thing is incredible - way more than the Model Y Long Range. The NACS port probably won't arrive before the 2026 model year. My gut is they will not move the location, since that is a lot more sheet metal & cabling changes than a typical LCI update.

[nosnoop]

Originally Posted by Maverick241

Not worth the risk IMO. Good luck quoting that to a dealer

The thing is you don't need to tell the dealer anything.
These are dumb adapters, so there is no way for anyone to find out/know/prove what adapter you have used.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by nosnoop

The thing is you don't need to tell the dealer anything.
These are dumb adapters, so there is no way for anyone to find out/know/prove what adapter you have used.

CCS are not dumb adapters. They contain firmware and there is probably some kind of handshake procedure that takes place during charging. Nothing is dumb nowadays that doesn't leave a fingerprint or flag somewhere.

Follow the vehicle manufacturer's recommendations or risk the result. I prefer a path of least resistance to potentially damaging my car and then having a legal fight with the dealer and manufacturer over who is responsible.

[darylp310]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

CCS are not dumb adapters. They contain firmware and there is probably some kind of handshake procedure that takes place during charging. Nothing is dumb nowadays that doesn't leave a fingerprint or flag somewhere.

Follow the vehicle manufacturer's recommendations or risk the result. I prefer a path of least resistance to potentially damaging my car and then having a legal fight with the dealer and manufacturer over who is responsible.

CCS NAS adapters ARE dumb/passive adapters. There are is no firmware. Where in the word did you read that?

Tesla users have been using 3rd CCS->NACS adapters for years and they are totally fine. Why in the world would not work the other way?

Let’s come back to this thread in a year, and I guarantee that everyone will just be buying the cheapest NACS->CCS adapter on Amazon.