[LittleJoe]

Originally Posted by tambat

Meanwhile, BMW BARELY edged out Tesla for top Luxury Brand in the US last year. EV's are WELL on their way to mainstream acceptance.

Since when has Tesla been considered a luxury brand?

[ppagiga]

Originally Posted by LittleJoe

Since when has Tesla been considered a luxury brand?

My exact reaction. Then I googled the price of the Y and 3 and I suppose it makes sense from a pricing standpoint

[LittleJoe]

Originally Posted by ppagiga

My exact reaction. Then I googled the price of the Y and 3 and I suppose it makes sense from a pricing standpoint

That's a valid point but from a truly luxury standpoint Tesla's don't fit the bill. For an electric car, there is a lot to like but they are not luxury cars IMO, which doesn't count for much. 😉

[nosnoop]

Originally Posted by LittleJoe

That's a valid point but from a truly luxury standpoint Tesla's don't fit the bill.

Very true.
I mentioned this before, BMW is a luxury car, while Tesla is like a mobility appliance for the tech crowd

[sahajesh]

Originally Posted by nosnoop

Very true.
I mentioned this before, BMW is a luxury car, while Tesla is like a mobility appliance for the tech crowd

Hence they are mostly sold/leased in washing machine white

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by sahajesh

Hence they are mostly sold/leased in washing machine white

Actually the white is a triple layer paint, and pretty expensive. And nice looking. Much like Mineral white.

The reason you see them in white (besides white cars being one of the most popular colors sold in general), is that in 2019 (I think?) Tesla switched from Black being the only no-cost color to white. Maddening since black was non-metallic boring black and white is the triple layer paint. But since when does anything they do make sense?

[Xtabi]

Originally Posted by LittleJoe

The Model X has a several flaws that make it a non-starter for me, the Yoke steering, the Falcon-Wing doors, and there's not enough room for the 3rd row passengers IMO. It feels more like a mid-size vehicle. Oh, and a loaded Model X Plaid with FSD is only $146,490. Our loaded iX is $105,205. But it's your money, buy whatever works for you.

For the record I don't like the Model X either.

Both are equal nonstarters for me.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

Until there is a legit full on M, it's smoke and mirrors with BMW slapping on a M60 badge or what ever marketing. Battery technology will have drastically improve to track a EV M4 and not wait 6 hrs or have ever long the batteries take to charge these days in-between sessions.

Ah...well the M-badging doesn't just apply to the M60 or whatever...

And 6 hours? More like 30-40 minutes with fast charging (150+ KW/hr).

I've found slow charging to be just fine since the car is parked 90%+ of the time.

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by Pictor

Well, that review is what I needed... moving on from the iX. There are just too many compromises and poor design choices. BMW is going to have to relearn some of its past mistakes with reducing buttons in their cars. Driving a car where you have to take your eyes off the road to adjust common functions is NEVER a good choice. You can use voice commands but that's generally a bad idea when there are multiple people in the car.

Plus 1,000. I can see doing that in a base model standard car but in a luxury car...no way should I have to use a screen to adjust AC, seats, radio volume, etc.

[patbrass]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

Plus 1,000. I can see doing that in a base model standard car but in a luxury car...no way should I have to use a screen to adjust AC, seats, radio volume, etc.

The only button I use in my car is the radio volume. AC has been on "automatic" for years and I haven't touched it. Seats? I configured them once when I bought my car and the car remembers my settings.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

Plus 1,000. I can see doing that in a base model standard car but in a luxury car...no way should I have to use a screen to adjust AC, seats, radio volume, etc.

Good luck buying a new luxury car then:








At least the Range Rover still has physical controls.

[sor]

I was a bit concerned about the complex HVAC and it being hidden away, but during the test drive I realized that the main temp controls remained floating at the bottom of the iDrive screen and it really wasn't that big of a deal. The complex HVAC screen is only for detailed adjustment, I usually just leave cars on auto and adjust the temperature accordingly.

You can also adjust the heated seats to go on or off automatically at a certain temperature. At least with my old X3 this made it so I rarely adjusted that as well.

[Richbot]

Model X has more 3rd-row room than a Q7, I cross-shopped them along with Escalade, Merc GLS. You slide the second row forward a few inches, and 3rd row is big enough for me to be perfectly happy at 5'11", whereas the germans and the GMs had tons of 2nd row space but the 3rd row was obviously not meant for adults. Even the Yukon XL has odd cushion height in the 3rd row, your knees were up high. The new IRS models might be better, haven't tried one of those yet. X really does fit a lot of people into not a lot of footprint. Very BMW-like in that regard, fitting a lot of interior volume into a car that's not much bigger footprint than an E-class wagon. And the hatch has enough space for big dogs.

But all that cross shopping was back when a Model X was $85k with 7 seats. Now, they aren't even making 7-seat Model X's, and there is no ETA. There is no way I would order a Model X today.

Current garage has a tundra, E90M, W212 E63, and the 2021, pre-refresh X in it. They're all great in their own way but there's a reason Model X is getting 2X as much mileage per year as the other ones have since we got it in late 2020, combined...and that's because electric drive is just better for daily driving, and large vehicles are just better for doing family stuff, and now we have a car that does both being big inside and being electric, it's the right tool for the job, almost all the time. I thought I would hate the doors but they're fine. And, surprisingly, they work. Now that manufacturers are finally competing in this size class, I think people are going to buy an assload of them. iX, the Koreans, the EQGLE/S, the Lyriq...they're going to sell as many as they can make, because Tesla is still, to this day, cranking out Model X's that aren't quite fully-baked and the fanboys are restless.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

Plus 1,000. I can see doing that in a base model standard car but in a luxury car...no way should I have to use a screen to adjust AC, seats, radio volume, etc.

You have dedicated buttons for all of those things. The AC adjustment buttons just live along the bottom of the touch screen like they do on almost every modern EV. All the others are hard buttons.