[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by armoredsaint

BMW and KIA drivers sharing a charging station, what can go wrong 😉😁

The BMW captain will get jealous of the EV6 UI design. It is a work of art. The dynamic physical interface for HVAC and Radio is the work of a pure genius.

[ickyfehmleh]

Originally Posted by akin67

Are you guys getting that 290 - 300 mile range with the recommended 80% charge or are you getting that with a 100% charge?

I'm seeing 296 miles at 80% in my 2024 iX50, fwiw. I'm not driving it like I stole it but I do have the occasional "woah" moments of speed.

This morning the iX is reporting 378 miles of range at 100% (because I have a roadtrip tonight). It literally just jumped from 350 at 99% to 378 at 100%.

[BMWEVGuy]

Originally Posted by ickyfehmleh

I'm seeing 296 miles at 80% in my 2024 iX50, fwiw. I'm not driving it like I stole it but I do have the occasional "woah" moments of speed.

This morning the iX is reporting 378 miles of range at 100% (because I have a roadtrip tonight). It literally just jumped from 350 at 99% to 378 at 100%.

And I am assuming in Arizona it must be really hot !!! Do let us know how it goes.

[BMWEVGuy]

I really hope over course of next few months BMW announces (like Mercedes) that it will accept Tesla NACS standard and provide adapter for existing customers.

I don't know when and how fast will this consortium deliver on their promise. Till then on road experience will suck being at mercy of EVGo and EA.

I have rarely heard of anything good about these two guys.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by JK479

A 4-5 hour car trip should be no problem. I can’t wait to have an EV that delivers 400 miles. That will be awesome.

I get 429 miles @ 100% with my iX right now, no waiting necessary! One just has to know how to drive an EV

[JK479]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

I get 429 miles @ 100% with my iX right now, no waiting necessary! One just has to know how to drive an EV

The laws of physics seem not apply?

[akin67]

Originally Posted by BMWEVGuy

I really hope over course of next few months BMW announces (like Mercedes) that it will accept Tesla NACS standard and provide adapter for existing customers.

I don't know when and how fast will this consortium deliver on their promise. Till then on road experience will suck being at mercy of EVGo and EA.

I have rarely heard of anything good about these two guys.

I think BMW almost has to get on the bandwagon. The standard setting body announced that they will try to make the Tesla charger the standard in the US by year-end. I don't understand why BMW is holding out when every major auto manufacturer already accepted NACS as the standard in the US.

[akin67]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

I get 429 miles @ 100% with my iX right now, no waiting necessary! One just has to know how to drive an EV

Please share your wisdom. I would love to learn new things.

[ickyfehmleh]

Originally Posted by BMWEVGuy

And I am assuming in Arizona it must be really hot !!! Do let us know how it goes.

It's a dry heat, much like an oven.

Unfortunately the gods have punished me for not getting the M60 with rear-wheel steering: while doing a U-turn in Kingman, AZ after charging, the boat that is the iX50 ran aground and I was forced like some commoner to drive the rest of the way to Vegas without regenerative braking, lane assist, HA, and a straight steering wheel, all the while scolded by the iX about "vehicle may roll", "chassis stabilization problem", and "you've really done it now". Strangely, the app still reports "All Good" even though there were 10 or 11 warning messages from the vehicle. BMW of Las Vegas made me bet on delivery times for new parts, I won a month. On the positive side, I "have to" do another Vegas vacation after they repair the iX, aww shucks. I also get to experience the raw 4-cylinder-with-AC-on-full-blast powah from this Camry.

Before the apocalyptic event the iX was doing fantastic with not ping-ponging in the lane during HA and being quiet enough to hear my "friend" drop a stinkbomb during a short pause in the music.

Drove to Vegas in a BMW, driving back in a Toyota -- and I don't even gamble!

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by akin67

I think BMW almost has to get on the bandwagon. The standard setting body announced that they will try to make the Tesla charger the standard in the US by year-end. I don't understand why BMW is holding out when every major auto manufacturer already accepted NACS as the standard in the US.

BMW is on the standard organization. And they're not trying to make it the standard in the US but rather make it a standard.

[SGiXers]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

You didn't show us how much it costs to fill up in Singapore.

I used to pump premium for my mildly tuned car. Premium is about US$2.33/litre or US$8.81/ gallon.
For electricity charging my iX, I'm paying US$0.41/kwh.
Its all price unfriendly over here as long as one wants to own a private vehicle.
The car population is strictly regulated. Limited suppy of permits available monthly hence the crazy prices.

[akin67]

Originally Posted by SGiXers

I used to pump premium for my mildly tuned car. Premium is about US$2.33/litre or US$8.81/ gallon.
For electricity charging my iX, I'm paying US$0.41/kwh.
Its all price unfriendly over here as long as one wants to own a private vehicle.
The car population is strictly regulated. Limited suppy of permits available monthly hence the crazy prices.

Everything does seem to be more expensive there. In the US (state of NJ) we are currently being charged about $4.20 per gallon of premium gasoline and $0.15 per kwh of electricity. Gasoline fluctuates with price of oil per barrel but our electricity rates seem to remain stable. At one point I did a calculation where the cost of driving with an EV for the same distance is about 25% of the cost of driving with gasoline.

[Paladin1]

Not as bad as water-locked Singapore, but there is a growing state trend in the US to charge "alternative fuel" taxes for EVs with the increasing sales and lost gas-tax revenue (a gallon of diesel here has a .50 state tax). Just re-registered and the "electric" tax was $75, proposed to go to $150 by 2027 and incrementally up after that. As more states lose funds to repair and maintain highways, a trend that will increase. I still estimate I pay about 20-30% of the fuel costs for my X5, but that difference will decrease, especially as more of us get on the DC network traveling.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by JK479

The laws of physics seem not apply?

Originally Posted by akin67

Please share your wisdom. I would love to learn new things.

My last charge was 301 miles @ 70%. Living in Arizona has its benefits in terms of rain, snow, and cold not being a factor. There are some basic steps I do to achieve an efficient drive:

1. Use Efficient mode
2. Do not exceed 25% power utilization on acceleration
3. Start coasting about 1/3 mile before your stop or turn
4. Engage light regen well ahead of a stop, do not go fast and then slow down aggressively like you used to do when driving ICE
5. Pre-climatize before leaving home using wall power

IOW if you drive it like it were a Prius you can also get 400+ miles on a full charge. I don't always need the maximum EV thrill ride experience, which comes at the cost of range. One can still "punch it" here and there while still achieving excellent efficiency. I also maximize my range as a challenge. This isn't something I would expect most people will want to do.

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

My last charge was 301 miles @ 70%. Living in Arizona has its benefits in terms of rain, snow, and cold not being a factor. There are some basic steps I do to achieve an efficient drive:

Use Efficient mode
Do not exceed 25% power utilization on acceleration
Start coasting about 1/3 mile before your stop or turn
Engage light regen well ahead of a stop, do not go fast and then slow down aggressively like you used to do when driving ICE
Pre-climatize before leaving home using wall power

IOW if you drive it like it were a Prius you can also get 400+ miles on a full charge. I don't always need the maximum EV thrill ride experience, which comes at the cost of range. One can still "punch it" here and there while still achieving excellent efficiency. I also maximize my range as a challenge. This isn't something I would expect most people will want to do.

This is the sort of grandad driving I was doing on efficient and couldn’t get more than 2.7 mi/KWh on my M60 - temps between 15 and 20 Celsius. In fact going into sport mode with drivetrain in comfort gives a better overall drive and seemingly no loss in efficiency - just less grandad driving.

Given I do about 30-50 miles a day max we’re talking a difference of like 2kWh max a day which if I’m on a decent home charging tariff comes to about £0.15 a day. I’d rather drive a bit more naturally and take the hit than live on the edge of madness trying to get the needle to 3 mi/KWh…

[ZigmundUK]

And on topic - from a UK perspective any collaboration and effort is welcome. You guys in North America are kind of leading the market so I’m hoping once they start cracking on there they’ll pipe up here.

If you’re not with Tesla in the UK there are seemingly tens/hundreds of independent providers and no consistency in charging speeds or pricing etc.

Like most have said the plan is to charge overnight at home for daily driving and only need the dc superchargers for long distance. It was a v good point someone made about why would you try to add so much mass to a car for the once a month long drive when a decent charging network will have you sorted on a 30 minute toilet and coffee break… the whole point of EV is to save the environment right so unnecessary bulking of cars can’t be a good thing and so there will inevitably be a sweet spot for each country or region I’m guessing.

Fun times

[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

I get 429 miles @ 100% with my iX right now, no waiting necessary! One just has to know how to drive an EV

Lol no you don't.

[NomoTesla]

This so-called charging network is going to be a debacle because everything is being decided by ICE-infused corporate suits with no real experience in EVs or with what EV drivers want. This is going to be a charging network by committee and it's going to suck. Sorry to say but that is my prediction. It's also going to take YEARS before it's in any position to claim any usefulness.

[exxxviii]

Honda and Acura just announced they are moving to NACS/J3400. So, BMW is in the minority of this group. Hopefully BMW jumps on board!

[ilya4min]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

This so-called charging network is going to be a debacle because everything is being decided by ICE-infused corporate suits with no real experience in EVs or with what EV drivers want. This is going to be a charging network by committee and it's going to suck. Sorry to say but that is my prediction. It's also going to take YEARS before it's in any position to claim any usefulness.

The risk that it'll fail is always there and we haven't seen these automakers collaborate in the past, so we'll see. Based on the experience with Blink and Chargepoint, the approach with EV-first mindset doesn't always work either. I'm sure these companies don't want to waste their money, and want to stop giving money to Volkswagen as quickly as possible, so there's some hope.

But fundamentally I agree we shouldn't expect any kind of miracles. Creating something competitive with Tesla's network will take years, maybe decades.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by ilya4min

But fundamentally I agree we shouldn't expect any kind of miracles. Creating something competitive with Tesla's network will take years, maybe decades.

... And why BMW needs to sign a deal with Tesla right now. The last time I went to a Tesla meetup and a crowd gathered around my iX. They kept looking at the inside of my doors and I couldn't figure out why! I finally asked and someone said "look at all the rubber seals you have that we don't!"

I'd love to educate Tesla owners about build quality while using a supercharger stall LOL!

[exxxviii]

I think this is the current tally of NACS/J3400 players. BMW really needs to poop and get off the pot.

Team NACS/J3400

• Tesla
• Ford
• GM
• Rivian
• Volvo
• Polestar
• Mercedes-Benz
• Nissan
• Fisker
• Honda
• Acura
• ChargePoint
• Electrify America
• EVgo
• Blink
• SAE

Team Not Yet

• BMW
• EVGo
• Hyundai/Kia/Genesis
• Lucid
• Stellantis
• Toyota
• VW Group