[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

When does he take 2 balls to the chin.

thats later when edelman and brandy make rainbow and shit out sherbet

[1MOREMOD]

[HFW003]

That drive for the second TD was too easy!

Pats looking too smart so far, early days though.

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by HFW003

That drive was too easy!

Pats looking too smart so far, early days though.

you like american football ? or are you an American in the land down under....go all blacks

[HFW003]

Originally Posted by infamousdiz

you like american football ? or are you an American in the land down under....go all blacks

What's this all black's shit first off?

No, I am 100% Ossie but am a great fan of both NFL and Baseball, sorry can't stand basketball though.

Was lucky enough to go to a game a Fenway last year, unfortunately it was just before pre season games so I couldn't get to see the Pats play.

[TrevorM3]

i'm calling mike tomlin to tell him gronk and edleman are in fact playing tonight and someone should cover them

[HFW003]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

i'm calling mike tomlin to tell him gronk and edleman are in fact playing tonight and someone should cover them

Yes, Steelers seem to be leaving them alone. Fark knows why you would do that

[808@702]

New England Fakeriots

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

i'm calling mike tomlin to tell him gronk and edleman are in fact playing tonight and someone should cover them

The more you know.... dam... that PSI must be fucken near zero..

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by 808@702

New England Fakeriots

yes yes

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

When does he take 2 balls to the chin.

Every night, after putting his kids to sleep, Brady sneaks out and goes to Edelmans house for some "one-on-one" playbook reviews in the hot tub

[1MOREMOD]

That explains why they are in synch and how Edelman has the 6th sense to know when brady's balls are going at him.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

That explains why they are in synch and how Edelman has the 6th sense to know when brady's balls are going at him.

Yeah, straight into his hands.

[808@702]

Originally Posted by infamousdiz

yes yes

Just admit it they cheated

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by 808@702

Just admit it they cheated

Tom could come clean and say he cheater I would probley still defend him, I am that big of a fan boy. Rightfully so if one man brought so much joy to your life for the last 14 years (knowing every NFL season there is a high percentage your team can win it all....Again)

[808@702]

Originally Posted by infamousdiz

Tom could come clean and say he cheater I would probley still defend him, I am that big of a fan boy. Rightfully so if one man brought so much joy to your life for the last 14 years (knowing every NFL season there is a high percentage your team can win it all....Again)

Good points, my bro in law is from Boston and he feels the same way you do

[Fundguy1]

Jets in first. J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!!!

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by tony20009

What Mr. Brady provided was a log/listing of messages, not the messages themselves, not the content. I know you have to see as shady the pattern of behavior and the convenient circumstances surrounding Mr. Brady's text messages.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone trying to get to the bottom of something. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is well aware that they will be among the key individuals from whom historic details will be sought.

Ethically speaking:

• As the former party, would you not see the latter individual's destroying a key item just before the meeting to question the latter party as duplicitous?
• As the latter party, and having knowledge before one's specific meeting with investigators that they'd want content from an item one possess, would you destroy that item if you knew it contained no "incriminating" info? Would you hang on to it and work with investigators to find a way to share the the relevant content while preserving one's privacy re: non-work-related content? Would you make nothing available to the investigators, and only make anything available when one launches one's own appeal after investigators make a decision that is unfavorable to oneself?

Once again, specific guilt or innocence re: inflating the balls isn't the crux of what irks me about Mr. Brady and his comportment in the deflategate matter. What bothers me and what I have zero tolerance for is the appearance of impropriety that Mr. Brady surrounded himself with and used to create doubt, doubt that favored his position, rather than "from square one" doing everything possible to avoid creating or not reducing the element of doubt.

I'm sorry, but that's not how I was raised. It's not how I raised my kids. It's not what I expect of professionals. And it's certainly not what I expect of someone who's done no wrong and who could all but instantly show that to be so well before a formal investigation begins.

In my opinion, Mr. Brady should have from damn near "day one" (the day of or day after the AFC Championship game) simply removed himself from contemplation as a participant in the under inflation by going to the relevant officials and saying, "Here. Let me show you my texts/emails so you can see I was in no way involved." That quite simply is not what he did, and that is the problem I have with Mr. Brady. (Alternatively, and if it were the case, he could also have said, "Yes, I was aware the handlers had toyed with the idea of under inflating the balls, but as you can see, I discouraged them from doing so (or whatever it is he did do were he aware of what they were considering.")

If you look at my various comments in this and at least one other thread, you'll see that I've never been particularly concerned or distraught over the actual under inflation or who was party to it. My issue has been, and remains, the apparent lack of ethical, "in good faith" if you will, behavior displayed by Mr. Brady.

Why don't I care about the actual under inflation and its direct game-related consequences? Mainly because there's not ever been much doubt in my mind that hijinks like that occur, or at least happen. What goes through my mind is that even though it may happen, it's against the rules, and as such, in making it happen or ignoring that it has happened, one is knowingly taking a risk of not getting caught and (hopefully) benefiting from it's incidence. What that means is that if one gets caught, the right thing to do is just "come clean" about it to whatever is the most comprehensive extent one can.

As many folks have noted, the act itself was (1) minor and (2) devoid of game-play outcomes. The whole damn matter should never have gotten past an internal "discovery" meeting between Pats team personnel and the NFL. Such a meeting, with all parties truthfully and comprehensively disclosing the full extent of their roles should have been sufficient to preempt a full blown investigation such as that which we've seen drug through the news.

Mr. Brady's stonewalling actions were instrumental in making the thing go well beyond that. The man is clearly viewed by many as a role model and as such, his onus is to behave to an even higher standard of ethical conduct than are most folks. And pitifully, he just didn't.

All the best.

P.S.
I don't actually even care whether Mr. Brady was involved or not involved. As I've said, I am miffed over how he handled the matter.

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

He's not mobile. His long ball sucks, he has always had the best O line. Give him an average of line and he'd look average.

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

You would gargle his balls if he played for your team.

This one is for you TONY20009

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by infamousdiz

This one is for you TONY20009

[video deleted]

Well, thank you for that. Do you have any comments to make, or videos to share, regarding the central point I've been making throughout this thread?

All the best.

[Fundguy1]

He just put pro trump stickers on his locker. First thing he's done I respect.

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by tony20009

Well, thank you for that. Do you have any comments to make, or videos to share, regarding the central point I've been making throughout this thread?

All the best.

Yes, the NFL lied, manipulated results and leak media detail to slander Tommy and the pasties. you want him to act a certain way but we as mortal citizens will never understand and grasp what he went through. (I have a similar story where the state trumped up some charges against my wife that were very serious and when they wanted her a take a deal....Lawyer up..... 25k later free and clear but the ordeal took its toll and ruined vacations/sleep/mood and other stress related illness. Alot of crying but the worst part is that allegations were totally false but the state offered deals all along the way but to court we went.) Its easy to Monday morning this debacle but I am glad it worked out for the best maybe down the road there will be a tell all but I stand and believe tom

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by infamousdiz

Yes, the NFL lied, manipulated results and leak media detail to slander Tommy and the pasties. you want him to act a certain way but we as mortal citizens will never understand and grasp what he went through. ... Its easy to Monday morning this debacle but I am glad it worked out for the best maybe down the road there will be a tell all but I stand and believe tom

Well, you're right about that. I absolutely did and do. I wanted Mr. Brady to behave ethically and just produce the information requested at the earliest possible instance. He didn't and that resulted in creating the appearance of impropriety. That appearance doesn't in any way correspond to what I consider to be the "highest ethical standards," which is what Mr. Brady signed an agreement to uphold, and it's certainly not the best standard of conduct to portray to millions of fans who view Mr. Brady as a role model.

The fact is that Mr. Brady could have removed himself from the entire controversy well before the Wells commission began any investigation. The Wells people may have had to investigate other Patriots' personnel, but as the whole element of controversy surrounding Mr. Brady had to do with whether he was aware of or perhaps conspired in the deflation rather than whether he performed it, a small bit of disclosure would have all but eliminated the absolutely silly public controversy it created and that was focused almost exclusively on Mr. Brady.

I don't know about you, and I suspect the events you mentioned re: yourself and your wife took place in a far more private way than did the circumstances of Deflategate, but were my reputation called into question I would move with all deliberate haste and without prodding to show that whatever may appear to be so isn't and that my integrity is beyond reproach. I would do that as the private citizen I am and I'd move even more preemptively to do so were the controversy happening in the public arena. What would I possibly and positively gain by playing "hold out" as Mr. Brady did? That tack fosters controversy and doubt rather than eliminating or minimizing them.

I'm sure there are complications inextricably linked to one's being a very public figure and living to the standard I have outlined, but then with high positions like Mr. Brady's come high expectations and obligations. As far as I'm concerned, Mr. Brady didn't embrace them. He surely is economically worth the millions he earns as a player. As a gentleman of high ethical character, he's got some development needs.

Lastly, so-so ethical character is something we see in many of our role models and leaders, so Mr. Brady's intransigence wasn't surprising. It was just disappointing to see, just as, say, MLK or JFK's ethical transgressions were saddening. I expected better of all three of them.

All the best.