[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

RIMAC is a much, MUCH smaller company than BMW. They would be better off hiring RIMAC designers...

That’s too simple.

You must have heard about design patents etc, it could get complex quite quickly.

And in all senses, there seems a bit of a political monopoly of Kia designers within BMW. Lol

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

Bull
Sh!t

Unless you’re not driving it.

No BS,
I have a large pack battery and use only about 10% daily as my DD.
This isn't a cross country road trip car or a commuter car. If it was my gas bill would also be MUCH larger.

[6SPDG82]

I love Rimac, I hope they have some cool solid state technology in their R&D lab. I’d consider a performance hybrid (not full EV) but only if they can come out with a lightweight high performance version.

The current XM powertrain is obscenely heavy and complicated.

[6SPDG82]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Toyota got it wrong.

Toyota has only made a compliance car.

Now Toyota is lobbying to slow the domino-effect… Toyota now has so much catching up to do it’s absolutely ridiculous.

No they didn’t…If you look at it from a purely environmental protection / reduction of CO2 perspective they got it right. 8 Hybrids to one full EV and all the combined CO2 that saves.

Look at the billions of EV write-offs happening across the automotive sector right now.

Hybrids are the perfect bridging technology given the crap state of our grid infrastructure and charging network.

There are also geopolitical considerations to factor in here…Over reliance on bad regimes for raw materials for batteries is a problem. Germany ran into this issue with Russia, only it was with natural gas instead of lithium.

[Schn3ll]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

Agreed, imagine being so blinded by EV junk that you think Toyota who has the lowest MDS (market days supply) of any manufacturer and just launched another vehicle last night that will have year+ waitlists (to join other year+ long wait list cars) is in a “catch up mode” position.


Meanwhile, my wife got fed up with her EV and shopped it to a few local dealers and the used car manager at Honda said “we honestly don’t want the car so I can’t even give you a number, EV’s don’t sell and I don’t want them on my lot”. If we tried to sell our RAV4 Prime, I would have them falling all over themselves trying to give me their best offer.

Clearly Toyota is doing something wrong here.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

How did this turn into the anti-EV BS, again. I’m not sure why people are triggered by new technology. Buy what you want. I honestly hate Teslas, but if that’s what you want to drive, have at it.

In the US, no one buying a BMW EV gets incentives. First of all, they are only for poor people (income under $150k or $300k for a couple ), only for cheap cars (under $50k). BMW cars and buyers meet zero of those criteria.

Anyway, I think it’s cool because Rimac will supply only specific vehicles, my guess is Rolls Royce.

Interesting you think poor starts at a family income less than $300k, and no one below that buys BMWs.

What starts at $300k, middle class?

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by Danyal.N55

Don’t EV’s Pollute more? They charge via Gas Generators, Mining for Lithium, Etc. I mean Top Gear in the 2000’s did an Episode on the Toyota Prius and they used an E90 M3 and it just had to keep up to the Toyota around the track, the Prius I believe got 17 MPG and the M3 got 19 MPG, And the way they build it from Canada, To Japan, All around the world EV’s just don’t make sense, Period.

I mean, I’m no pro-EV fanatic, but man, did you stop looking into EVs 10 years ago? Seriously, your post comes across pretty ignorant… the Prius is not an EV, for starters, and Top Gear is entertainment, not journalism.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

And in all senses, there seems a bit of a political monopoly of Kia designers within BMW. Lol

Designers (styling)
Engineers (Engineering)

Quite different.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

No BS,
I have a large pack battery and use only about 10% daily as my DD.
This isn't a cross country road trip car or a commuter car. If it was my gas bill would also be MUCH larger.

Maybe your AC isn’t adding anything to your bill either. Did you check?

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

Maybe your AC isn’t adding anything to your bill either. Did you check?

lol, believe whatever you wish my dude.

[adc]

Talk about want. As a serial M car owner and brand enthusiast for many years, I have zero want for BMWs current range of offering, ICE or EV.

ICE because of styling, weight increase and the stupid touchscreen interior. EV because of their conservative approach doesn’t make them stand out.

But if Rivian were to release the R3X today, I’d gift my X2 to my son and buy it, on the spot, cash in hand. That is hard want, and I wasn’t expecting it at all.

I wonder if in the near future BMW will produce a car, EV or not, that I would so wholeheartedly embrace from a styling, coolness factor and performance standpoint.

[Danyal.N55]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

I mean, I’m no pro-EV fanatic, but man, did you stop looking into EVs 10 years ago? Seriously, your post comes across pretty ignorant… the Prius is not an EV, for starters, and Top Gear is entertainment, not journalism.

Fair on the ignorant part Haha, And Yes Top Gear was more geared towards Entertainment rather then Journalism.

[ArchieV]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

So when BMW is going to admit (through changing their marketing and sales techniques), that USA wants effectively nothing to do with fully electric toy cars, and everything to do with hybrids? I give it 1-3 years tops.

The problem here isn’t BMW. It’s stupid government laws that force this down everyone’s throat so quick and so fast and finally turned the leaf on everything a few months ago they have to set up and assembly lines a years in advance For changes like this so when things go backtrack, it’s gonna take likely just as long to undo those changes. You probably are looking at between the 2 1/2 to 3 your window before they switch over to a more hybrid platform which I think is definitely the best solution overall.

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

How did this turn into the anti-EV BS, again. I’m not sure why people are triggered by new technology. Buy what you want. I honestly hate Teslas, but if that’s what you want to drive, have at it.

In the US, no one buying a BMW EV gets incentives. First of all, they are only for poor people (income under $150k or $300k for a couple ), only for cheap cars (under $50k). BMW cars and buyers meet zero of those criteria.

Anyway, I think it’s cool because Rimac will supply only specific vehicles, my guess is Rolls Royce.

Must be nice to live in your fantasy world. In the town I grew up in, $100k would be considered rich. And most can't even afford to have the wiring and plug installed in their garage for an EV, much less being able to afford an EV at all.

But that's what the elitists want anyway, destroy the middle class and nothing is left but the rulers and the poor. It seems like something like that happened in another country far away a long time ago.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by ArchieV

The problem here isn’t BMW. It’s stupid government laws that force this down everyone’s throat so quick and so fast and finally turned the leaf on everything a few months ago they have to set up and assembly lines a years in advance For changes like this so when things go backtrack, it’s gonna take likely just as long to undo those changes. You probably are looking at between the 2 1/2 to 3 your window before they switch over to a more hybrid platform which I think is definitely the best solution overall.

That is a fair point.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Hybrid currently has its place in performance cars, but otherwise electric is clearly way beyond anything ICE has to offer

What do you mean electric is clearly way beyong anything ICE has to offer [non-performance cars]? Just looking to understand your viewpoint

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

Strawman much?

What does that even mean?

[bjcarls]

"The aim of the collaboration..." That's all you need to know, I'd bet very little comes of this.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

What does that even mean?

Basing an argument around a false premise.


Your false premise is that people don't want EV's. That's not true. People want EV's just at a different price point. This doesn't mean ALL customers want an EV but there's a chunk of market share which does want an EV and BMW sales numbers point that out.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Game

Can’t speak for other brands, but BMW EV’s are sitting on lots and dealers are desperate to give them away. All models.

I can confirm BMW EV's are sitting on lots and dealers are desperate to give them away in Vancouver, Canada. I never come across with BMW Canada offer that low lease interest rate (1.99%)

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by VANOS

Unless you live in California… he’s kinda right in that sense. California nowadays you literally can’t afford crap making 100k-120k, so he’s not that far off. (Especially when almost every house is close to a 1 mill )

And you are definitely right about the middle class being destroyed.

I did live out there. A co-worker got transferred to OH and sold his house for $1.1 mil, and that was in a small town, commuted 45 miles to work. Bought a bigger, nicer house in OH for $300k. And that's why I left, no way was I ever going to own anything but a shack in silicon valley.

Barely half the people in CA own vs 70-80% in some states.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

Interesting you think poor starts at a family income less than $300k, and no one below that buys BMWs.

What starts at $300k, middle class?

In my neck of the woods that $300k a year is solidly middle class. Everyone is an engineer at Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Boeing, etc. I have a cheap middle class home that would sell for $750k in a middle class suburb. If I lived in Redmond, Kirkland or Bellevue then my house would be $1.2 million. Because we only had a $340k income, we had to move 30 miles further out.