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      10-13-2021, 03:37 AM   #1
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Matt got 293km range (not 293 miles) with the MTech Pack (20" wheels). BMW quotes 265 miles for the 20" wheels MTech pack and 315 miles the 19" wheels.
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So they really made sure it wouldn't be faster than the new M3/M4 (0-60)
They could have easily made this faster to compete with model 3, but can't have a less expensive model faster than a M3


Full blown i4M with let's say 700+ hp and in its own platform weighing 4500 lbs or so would be amazing.

Makes me think that's what they are waiting for. Next gen when they can get weight down they will do it.
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So they really made sure it wouldn't be faster than the new M3/M4 (0-60)
They could have easily made this faster to compete with model 3, but can't have a less expensive model faster than a M3


Full blown i4M with let's say 700+ hp and in its own platform weighing 4500 lbs or so would be amazing.

Makes me think that's what they are waiting for. Next gen when they can get weight down they will do it.
That would be a short lived faster anyway... only 0-60 and not even close in handling ... Top speed is low too, not meant at all to be an everyday car you can track sometimes like a M car.
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Matt got 293km range (not 293 miles) with the MTech Pack (20" wheels). BMW quotes 265 miles for the 20" wheels MTech pack and 315 miles the 19" wheels.
He does actually say 293 miles, but I think you are right on the math that it would be 293km. Interesting note on the official numbers of the different wheel size. It shows how ridiculous manufacturers insistence on larger and larger wheels actually hurts performance vice increases.
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Matt got 293km range (not 293 miles) with the MTech Pack (20" wheels). BMW quotes 265 miles for the 20" wheels MTech pack and 315 miles the 19" wheels.
tbd- he used the word "miles" didn't say Kilometres...

All the germans have been under reporting mileage so, if 293 is correct, wouldn't be a shock.
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So they really made sure it wouldn't be faster than the new M3/M4 (0-60)
They could have easily made this faster to compete with model 3, but can't have a less expensive model faster than a M3


Full blown i4M with let's say 700+ hp and in its own platform weighing 4500 lbs or so would be amazing.

Makes me think that's what they are waiting for. Next gen when they can get weight down they will do it.
...Waiting for the Next Gen M5....



https://www-caranddriver-com.cdn.amp...c-prototype%2F




I don't think any EV at this point would hold up to the M standard. It would weigh too much, be handling and cooling compromised.

Plus this isn't even a dedicated effort as this underneath is the 3/4 series with the ICE motor ripped out and replaced with EV tech, based upon last generation tech.
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So they really made sure it wouldn't be faster than the new M3/M4 (0-60)
They could have easily made this faster to compete with model 3, but can't have a less expensive model faster than a M3


Full blown i4M with let's say 700+ hp and in its own platform weighing 4500 lbs or so would be amazing.

Makes me think that's what they are waiting for. Next gen when they can get weight down they will do it.
I think they intentionally made the throttle mapping ramp up a little sluggish. Perhaps to protect from excessive driveline shock. Either way, the jump the Model 3 performance has off the start, makes it nearly impossible to catch the Tesla in a qtr mile drag race. But a roll on race from higher freeway speeds may reverse the results.
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So they really made sure it wouldn't be faster than the new M3/M4 (0-60)
They could have easily made this faster to compete with model 3, but can't have a less expensive model faster than a M3


Full blown i4M with let's say 700+ hp and in its own platform weighing 4500 lbs or so would be amazing.

Makes me think that's what they are waiting for. Next gen when they can get weight down they will do it.
I think they intentionally made the throttle mapping ramp up a little sluggish. Perhaps to protect from excessive driveline shock. Either way, the jump the Model 3 performance has off the start, makes it nearly impossible to catch the Tesla in a qtr mile drag race. But a roll on race from higher freeway speeds may reverse the results.
I was hoping he would run the quarter-mile as we could see the true performance, thus more comparison for those that like straight-line speed vs. the model 3.

I bet they also left room in the tank for improvements over the car's lifecycle
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Matt got 293km range (not 293 miles) with the MTech Pack (20" wheels). BMW quotes 265 miles for the 20" wheels MTech pack and 315 miles the 19" wheels.
All the numbers in the video are incorrect, starting with saying that the M50 has a range of 315 miles.
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Matt got 293km range (not 293 miles) with the MTech Pack (20" wheels). BMW quotes 265 miles for the 20" wheels MTech pack and 315 miles the 19" wheels.
tbd- he used the word "miles" didn't say Kilometres...

All the germans have been under reporting mileage so, if 293 is correct, wouldn't be a shock.
Yes, he incorrectly and accidentally said miles, not km as his maths worked out to a range of 293km (185km covered for ~63% charge used). To be fair, he admitted he had been pushing it, but in doing so, he achieved a 100% range of only 183miles. BMW quote 265 miles for the spec of i4 M50 he had and 315 miles for the non-M-Tech pack 19" wheels.
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Matt got 293km range (not 293 miles) with the MTech Pack (20" wheels). BMW quotes 265 miles for the 20" wheels MTech pack and 315 miles the 19" wheels.
All the numbers in the video are incorrect, starting with saying that the M50 has a range of 315 miles.
BMW quote 315 miles, for i4 M50 with the 19" wheels and 265 miles for the 20" wheels.that he was driving.
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Matt got 293km range (not 293 miles) with the MTech Pack (20" wheels). BMW quotes 265 miles for the 20" wheels MTech pack and 315 miles the 19" wheels.
He does actually say 293 miles, but I think you are right on the math that it would be 293km. Interesting note on the official numbers of the different wheel size. It shows how ridiculous manufacturers insistence on larger and larger wheels actually hurts performance vice increases.
Indeed - the 20" wheels are 285 section on the rear vs 19" 255 section rears.
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Great car but Tesla M3 is better in my opinion

If you've ever driven a Model 3 you'd know it feels like more than just a car but more like an extension of our phones. I was hoping when BMW/MB/Audi started rolling out with their full EV's they would take some ideas out of Tesla and how the car can still entertain you without moving. You know, the fun quirks and gimmicks. It doesn't look like this car will have that just basically an electric 340GC. For what's probably gonna be $75-$90k USD ill keep my Model 3. The Quality in Tesla will improve with time (plaid). So i'll continue waiting hopefully they get it soon. it was between a LCI G80 M3 and this for me so i'll wait for the LCI G80.
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BMW quote 315 miles, for i4 M50 with the 19" wheels and 265 miles for the 20" wheels.that he was driving.
Forgot that this is in the UK… it is 265 miles for the M50 and 300 miles for the 40 in the USA.
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So they really made sure it wouldn't be faster than the new M3/M4 (0-60)
They could have easily made this faster to compete with model 3, but can't have a less expensive model faster than a M3


Full blown i4M with let's say 700+ hp and in its own platform weighing 4500 lbs or so would be amazing.

Makes me think that's what they are waiting for. Next gen when they can get weight down they will do it.
...Waiting for the Next Gen M5....



https://www-caranddriver-com.cdn.amp...c-prototype%2F




I don't think any EV at this point would hold up to the M standard. It would weigh too much, be handling and cooling compromised.

Plus this isn't even a dedicated effort as this underneath is the 3/4 series with the ICE motor ripped out and replaced with EV tech, based upon last generation tech.
Last generation tech?

The motors are a new design built inhouse by BMW.
No permanent magnets and local stability control.

I'm just trying to figure out what last generation tech you are talking about?
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I don't think any EV at this point would hold up to the M standard. It would weigh too much, be handling and cooling compromised.
I'm very excited for the next generation of batteries! However, we are already seeing how light EVs are capable of becoming. The Pininfarina Battista (1900HP!) weighs only 4400LBS with a massive 120kWh battery. Imagine a car with the same cells, but a 40kWh battery (much less range, but much less weight & performance oriented) that weighs less than 3000LBS. That would be BALLER
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If you've ever driven a Model 3 you'd know it feels like more than just a car but more like an extension of our phones. I was hoping when BMW/MB/Audi started rolling out with their full EV's they would take some ideas out of Tesla and how the car can still entertain you without moving. You know, the fun quirks and gimmicks. It doesn't look like this car will have that just basically an electric 340GC. For what's probably gonna be $75-$90k USD ill keep my Model 3. The Quality in Tesla will improve with time (plaid). So i'll continue waiting hopefully they get it soon. it was between a LCI G80 M3 and this for me so i'll wait for the LCI G80.
This car isn't that expensive 66k before the 7500 tax rebate. Plus since it's the M light version those are always better equipped based I highly doubt fully spec'd this will be more than 77k USD before tax credits.
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So they really made sure it wouldn't be faster than the new M3/M4 (0-60)
They could have easily made this faster to compete with model 3, but can't have a less expensive model faster than a M3


Full blown i4M with let's say 700+ hp and in its own platform weighing 4500 lbs or so would be amazing.

Makes me think that's what they are waiting for. Next gen when they can get weight down they will do it.
...Waiting for the Next Gen M5....



https://www-caranddriver-com.cdn.amp...c-prototype%2F




I don't think any EV at this point would hold up to the M standard. It would weigh too much, be handling and cooling compromised.

Plus this isn't even a dedicated effort as this underneath is the 3/4 series with the ICE motor ripped out and replaced with EV tech, based upon last generation tech.
Last generation tech?

The motors are a new design built inhouse by BMW.
No permanent magnets and local stability control.

I'm just trying to figure out what last generation tech you are talking about?
Sorry, you don't understand what I what I was trying to convey. All major manufacturers produce cars on a production cycle of 5-7yrs..Aka this car was designed year's ago with current tech at that moment as its based upon the 4 series which is based upon the 3 series which came out in 2018 and is approaching halfway thru it's lifecycle.

In 2025 BMW has the Neue Klasse coming. Thus, all these upcoming EVs, IX, I4, even the I7 perhaps are like stopgaps. An like an cellphone will be outdated within a year.
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Just watched the video. Unfortunately, this 293 KM of range can't really be trusted at all, as it's just based on him extrapolating the guess-o-meter from when he got it to a SOC of 38%. If you've got any time in an EV, you know that is not at all a reliable number.
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Just watched the video. Unfortunately, this 293 KM of range can't really be trusted at all, as it's just based on him extrapolating the guess-o-meter from when he got it to a SOC of 38%. If you've got any time in an EV, you know that is not at all a reliable number.
I agree...we need to wait until you get them in consumer hands and drive at normal speeds for your country. EVs don't get good mileage on the autobahn.

However, if the trend is true all the recent Germany EVs return better mileage then reported by the EPA and manufacture.
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Just watched the video. Unfortunately, this 293 KM of range can't really be trusted at all, as it's just based on him extrapolating the guess-o-meter from when he got it to a SOC of 38%. If you've got any time in an EV, you know that is not at all a reliable number.
... well not quite... it's extrapolating the two facts that he covered 185 km and consumed 63% of charge, so not totally unreasonable. The real variables are the roads and how he's driven it over those 185kms.
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