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      09-11-2013, 05:44 AM   #221
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Front looks good but needs different headlights. Side profile is good but the rear is just plain ugly. Performance wise this feels more like an i2/i4. Needs a v6 version of the b38 or at the very least, have M build an S20 for this car. Unfortunately, the target was MPG and performance suffered for it. What they should have done was named this an i6 and built the i8 as an M4/M6 performance wise car with an electric motor for stop and go traffic.
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      09-11-2013, 06:36 AM   #222
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Amazing but should have kept the Edge rings as a character not U shaped
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      09-11-2013, 08:01 AM   #223
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Well, this bests the BMW in terms of range; performance and luxury, probably not. Still, not a bad car.

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Is it me, or does this car need to have an aggressive exhaust note to fit the bill?
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AMEN! Well said Scott26, haters are always gonna hate, especially when they know that this car is above the rest.
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      09-11-2013, 10:12 AM   #226
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I just don't think it's that nice.

Should have left it on the movie set.

Seriously, why would anyone buy this?

I get BMW is trying to show the industry where the future can go, but seriously why make this mess.
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      09-11-2013, 11:51 AM   #227
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As I said I really like it but the one thing I don't get...

In USA the 320d has to be called the 328d because of the more numbers thing = better allegedly
Yet somehow in the same fashion a 3 cylinder engine is expected to sell well in a 100k plus car?

If it's not a problem why call the 320d a 328d? I'm not surprised there are so many V8 V10 M8 etc comments. BMW have fed this mentality with their naming structure. Perhaps the next gen 3 series should start with a 312d with top of the range fire breather called a 319is... No they wouldn't do it, so why think a real (!) number with the i8 doesn't matter to people now?
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      09-11-2013, 01:18 PM   #228
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I have a question about i8's performance.
Are the performance specification are base on battery full charge.
0-100km/h 4.4, 80-120km/h 4.5, Top speed 250.
RANGE ELECTRIC approx. 35 (22)
What if after 35Km, battery is empty.
Are the car back to 3 cyclinder 1.5l turbo engine?
If I like to drive the car to track, track don't provide a 16A charge.
What happened?
As battery become weaker weaker, are performance change?

PS I am very serious about it. I order one. If it is like that, I will cancel it.

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      09-11-2013, 02:13 PM   #229
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I have a question about i8's performance.
Are the performance specification are base on battery full charge.
0-100km/h 4.4, 80-120km/h 4.5, Top speed 250.
RANGE ELECTRIC approx. 35 (22)
What if after 35Km, battery is empty.
Are the car back to 3 cyclinder 1.5l turbo engine?
If I like to drive the car to track, track don't provide a 16A charge.
What happened?
As battery become weaker weaker, are performance change?

PS I am very serious about it. I order one. If it is like that, I will cancel it.
This is a good question, and I have the same one.

In other words, does the charge of the batteries get regenerated during hybrid driving, or only when plugged in? And if so, then at what rate?

"paging Scott26"

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      09-11-2013, 02:21 PM   #230
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im sure lots of effort has been put in this car... kudos to BMW

However, every time I see it, I think Mitsubishi Eclipse ... with just more plastic
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      09-11-2013, 02:48 PM   #231
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The general shape has some mid 90's 300ZX in it for sure, but that's not a bad thing.
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      09-11-2013, 02:54 PM   #232
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As much as I'd like to, I'm not feeling the design at all. From the disconnected tail lights to the squarish front end it just doesn't have the "wow, I've gotta have it" factor. And who is designing wheels for BMW's lately? Sorry, but they look like an interpretation of the future from the 1980's. Very Chevy Lumina.
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This is a good question, and I have the same one.

In other words, does the charge of the batteries get regenerated during hybrid driving, or only when plugged in? And if so, then at what rate?

"paging Scott26"

I heard it need to plug in.
Engine for extend distance.

I3 for recharge.

I can be wrong.
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This is a good question, and I have the same one.

In other words, does the charge of the batteries get regenerated during hybrid driving, or only when plugged in? And if so, then at what rate?
There is a recuperation through the main electric motor. Additional to that, the small electric motor which is used as the starter for the combustion engine, is also able to charge the battery while driving.

I read that you will always have the full power in an everyday driving profile, even after a trip on the Autobahn for example. But pushing the car on a racetrack is another story, since there is too much power demand and too little battery regeneration to retain the battery charge permanently.
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      09-11-2013, 04:40 PM   #235
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      09-11-2013, 05:25 PM   #236
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Do you realize that you're the one that keeps/kept us excited with M8, M10, M100 super car coming around 2016 rumors, right? now you're saying what you got us excited for is nonsense?

And are you honestly saying M4 is sufficient and makes it redundant to have a proper super car? M4 can perform better than R8 and/or SLS (which it won't), we still need a proper super/sport car.

I do absolutely love(d) the i8 concept. Something completely new, something completely different. Until I saw the Audi lights. I'll still like it just because I'm a BMW fan but my patience is wearing out. A decision not to make a proper super/sport car and replacing it with i8 (i8 itself is an awesome concept, but it shouldn't make it redundant to make a proper sports car) and a genius decision to start a revolution and coming out with the incredible i8, with signature Audi design. SMH....

I appreciate your updates and insights but you always just try to blow off complaints and feedbacks from real and loyal BMW fans on this forum that are against the direction and/or decision BMW is going to
I will answer in the question thread in time , but at the moment the above slightly conforms to the answer I have that you will not like.

Please note I said this in the statement "At this time" .
Which raises one of my pet peeves here that some are too impatient , many of you want this now , stating BMW needs it now. But do they? BMW has managed admirably without such a car focusing on investing capital into something which will not only be profitable but progress your image and develop your future.
When I talk about a car I do not intend that US market one year ahead of everyone else. But that actual year. So when I say 2014 that means the year not a few weeks time.

The proposed date for a stand alone M car is expected in 2016 BMW will celebrate their 100th anniversary and the celebrations will extend to showcases from each brand and sub-brand of BMW.

We will shortly see a new idea for a sports model.

Right now this is the time of the BMW i8 - The most progressive sports car which at this time and even at the IAA there is nothing conceived or visually like the i8 or the i3. This is the time to evaluate new thinking in existing concepts , its all about adapting to an ever changing world. I can foresee future legislation which could in turn affect the industry or certain areas of the industry that it is best to act and develop a brand in a what if this was reality? scenario.

BMW M have also stated that if a market changed its legislation then they would have to adapt by looking at sustainable tech. In this decade of the Auto Industry its all about adapting and legislation means manufacturers have no choice but to adapt.

If we take the eDrive X5 which actually begins another sustainable line at BMW along with EfficientDynamics and Active Hybrid. This new line will focus on the core BMW portfolio as a plug in hybrid. The two preview cars in the X5 and Active Tourer will become production cars in the next two years.

I am a 100% glad to be involved and stand by the decision to develop BMWi over a conventional sports car. Because I believe in the product , I believe in the philosophy , I believe that one day the automobile landscape could change.

As discussed over and over the genes of BMWi lead to the next generation of BMWs starting with the next generation 7er which will be shown at this time in two years. The advancements of BMWi benefit the next 7er in weight reduction and technology will be state of the art including unique driver and passenger HUD and windscreen projection. Forget LEDs , Laser technology is now a production reality.

Staying with lights I am struggling to see why many are in my opinion going OTT over the headlights. It is right to seek new interpretations , especially when your ideas are being borrowed and manipulated to suit that brand.
The ideas of the i3 and i8 extend the individuality of the brand but if you look closer they are an interpretation of the classic BMW facia although this time you have the outer light rim with an inner light rim giving a sort of stacked effect.

If we return to the M4 some of the comments berate the incoming car because it does not have the numbers people were expecting when in fact it has new priorities to deliver performance but with perfect precision. Weight reduction is a core principal feature of the new M4 and that's what gives the new car that level of precision that the numbers can only dream of.
I would describe the M4 as the perfect balance between performance and precision. The M3 and M4 will not be given headlines. They will generate them.

At Frankfurt the BMW message was clear - progress and adaptability. BMW presented perfectly its progress in the industry. Many are too intent to show where they are but BMW throughout its brands on sub-brands like to show you where the market is heading.
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There is a recuperation through the main electric motor. Additional to that, the small electric motor which is used as the starter for the combustion engine, is also able to charge the battery while driving.

I read that you will always have the full power in an everyday driving profile, even after a trip on the Autobahn for example. But pushing the car on a racetrack is another story, since there is too much power demand and too little battery regeneration to retain the battery charge permanently.
Thanks, this is what I was thinking but wasn't sure. Makes sense. This isn't meant to be a track car, but a real world car.

That being said, one can bring a generator to charge the battery in between sessions on the track, problem solved.

If you can afford an i8 as your track toy, surely you can afford a generator.
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Looks good from all angles except the rear. The interior is the best part of this car. And I don't see them selling much of these for that price. It's gonna take a really special person to drop that kind of money on this without being tempted to go to Porsche or other real performance cars.

IMO you must be freaking nuts or have to much money to by a $135k electric car.

Isn't the Tesla model S (high end version) pretty much 100k?
And this looks much better IMO.
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Staying with lights I am struggling to see why many are in my opinion going OTT over the headlights. It is right to seek new interpretations , especially when your ideas are being borrowed and manipulated to suit that brand.
The ideas of the i3 and i8 extend the individuality of the brand but if you look closer they are an interpretation of the classic BMW facia although this time you have the outer light rim with an inner light rim giving a sort of stacked effect.
New interpretations are fine. As long as they aren't boring. What BMW ended up doing with the lights are incredibly boring on an otherwise exciting car.
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I personally think the car looks great at all angles, and it will look good in dark colors only. Needs an ///M version with a V10 or V12 though.
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I have a question about i8's performance.
Are the performance specification are base on battery full charge.
0-100km/h 4.4, 80-120km/h 4.5, Top speed 250.
RANGE ELECTRIC approx. 35 (22)
What if after 35Km, battery is empty.
Are the car back to 3 cyclinder 1.5l turbo engine?
If I like to drive the car to track, track don't provide a 16A charge.

What happened?
As battery become weaker weaker, are performance change?

PS I am very serious about it. I order one. If it is like that, I will cancel it.
I have asked this question before a couple times, with no answer.

With combined electric/gas power how long does full power last while doing a day of aggressive canyon carving. At some point you will be driving around a $135k car with only 1.5L. There is a reason this is a plug-in hybrid.
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