[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

I appreciate the advice from a rando person on the internet hiding behind a pseudonym...

Back at ya Mate.

You sound like a gen Z who has never lived through the times or has been through a recession and claims to understand how the world works. You lost your argument, have nothing meaningful left and that’s all you got to say.

Lot to learn for you seems like, unsolicited advice to you - be open minded and learn to have a healthy debate with a “rando” person on the internet. You don’t seem to get the point of forums, not sure why you are here then.

I have been here ~15 years and 3 other car forums, and nobody talks like this. Grow up and peace out.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

Back at ya Mate.

You sound like a gen Z who has never lived through the times or has been through a recession and claims to understand how the world works. You lost your argument, have nothing meaningful left and that’s all you got to say.

Lot to learn for you seems like, unsolicited advice to you - be open minded and learn to have a healthy debate with a “rando” person on the internet. You don’t seem to get the point of forums, not sure why you are here then.

I have been here ~15 years and 3 other car forums, and nobody talks like this. Grow up and peace out.

I'm 55 and made the most money during the last recession thanks to my understanding of how the world works. I bought myself two $100k+ cars cash. Thanks for all of your advice, though. Peace out to you as well.

[Kennethjk]

I have not driven a model 3 , but did someone say it’s close to a BMW series 3 Car? In what ways?

I test drove a Tesla S years ago and I thought the handling just so-so not like my BMWs I was accustomed to.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by Kennethjk

I have not driven a model 3 , but did someone say it’s close to a BMW series 3 Car? In what ways?

I test drove a Tesla S years ago and I thought the handling just so-so not like my BMWs I was accustomed to.

Tesla - the model 3 handles reasonably well, is quick, good UI , and has a good drivetrain. The new Highlander model is better than previous versions though it looks similar enough to older models that it might be confused with something that is seven model years old.

BMW- Build quality, tactile feel, dealer support, ride, and NVH control are far better. Lease rates are also generally better with BMW. Subjectively the comparable BMW is more attractive with far more options for customization. BMWs tend to have a luxury feel…Tesla’s do not.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Kennethjk

I have not driven a model 3 , but did someone say it’s close to a BMW series 3 Car? In what ways?

I test drove a Tesla S years ago and I thought the handling just so-so not like my BMWs I was accustomed to.

Someone did, but that is a bit of a strawman fallacy. I don't think that Tesla positioned the Model 3 as a BMW 3 Series competitor. When it was introduced in 2017, the common marketing description was along the lines of an affordable car for the mass market. That is decidedly not what a BMW 3 Series is.

Originally Posted by Car and Driver

The Model 3 is intended to make all-electric motoring affordable for a lot more consumers.

Originally Posted by The Verge

The Model 3 will be Tesla's first attempt at a high-volume car meant for mainstream consumers.

Originally Posted by "New York Times

In Pivotal Moment, Tesla Unveils Its First Mass-Market Sedan

[Kennethjk]

When I think of a BMW 3 series, I think of handling and other than my 911 the 3 series cars I have had were the most fun to drive .

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Kennethjk

When I think of a BMW 3 series, I think of handling and other than my 911 the 3 series cars I have had were the most fun to drive.

When it was introduced, the Model 3 was priced a lot closer to the Honda Accord than the 3 Series. I honestly think the Accord and Camry were more of Tesla's original target, and since the pricing reset, it is back in the price range of those two.

[bavarianboar]

Not sure why model 3 is named as model 3 when other Tesla vehicles are alphabets. 3-series was iconic in that segment so unlikely it has absolutely no correlation to wooing the BMW crowd. Tesla forums call model 3, the M3 for short

Typically car companies do not do this but it might be the creative S 3 X Y acronym. Cyber truck stands alone though in that philosophy of naming.

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

Not sure why model 3 is named as model 3 when other Tesla vehicles are alphabets. 3-series was iconic in that segment so unlikely it has absolutely no correlation to wooing the BMW crowd. Tesla forums call model 3, the M3 for short

Typically car companies do not do this but it might be the creative S 3 X Y acronym. Cyber truck stands alone though in that philosophy of naming.

There is no doubt that sociopath Mush thought that S3XY was funny, hence the nomenclature chosen.

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

Tesla - the model 3 handles reasonably well, is quick, good UI , and has a good drivetrain. The new Highlander model is better than previous versions though it looks similar enough to older models that it might be confused with something that is seven model years old.

BMW- Build quality, tactile feel, dealer support, ride, and NVH control are far better. Lease rates are also generally better with BMW. Subjectively the comparable BMW is more attractive with far more options for customization. BMWs tend to have a luxury feel…Tesla’s do not.

I rode in a Model 3 a while back; unfortunately in the back seat. It was awful. Cheap plastics with terrible gaps, and the worst suspension that crashed over every, even minor ‘bump’ in the road. Add in the dash layout, which I hate and the reports of terrible build quality re: body panels; suspension, etc. and I cannot for the life of me see the attraction. If Teslas were still the only BEV choice; I’d still be driving true ‘M’ cars, etc.

One wonders how much of the massive increase in car insurance rates is down to Musk creating vehicles that are much cheaper to build; (mega casting anyone?), but almost impossible to repair; even from minor damage. He’s created the age of the disposal car, and we’re all paying for it it seems.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by thebishman

I rode in a Model 3 a while back; unfortunately in the back seat. It was awful. Cheap plastics with terrible gaps, and the worst suspension that crashed over every, even minor ‘bump’ in the road. Add in the dash layout, which I hate and the reports of terrible build quality re: body panels; suspension, etc. and I cannot for the life of me see the attraction. If Teslas were still the only BEV choice; I’d still be driving true ‘M’ cars, etc.

One wonders how much of the massive increase in car insurance rates is down to Musk creating vehicles that are much cheaper to build; (mega casting anyone?), but almost impossible to repair; even from minor damage. He’s created the age of the disposal car, and we’re all paying for it it seems.

To your point, when I shopped car insurance for my IX I also priced Model Y insurance since that was a car I was initially interested in acquiring. The cost was nearly identical…and the MY is 40% less expensive. Even for the BMW I remain concerned about repairability given its unique frame construct.

I saw this morning that auto insurance rates nationally have increased 21% in the last 12 months…a factor that is contributing to persistent inflation.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

To your point, when I shopped car insurance for my IX I also priced Model Y insurance since that was a car I was initially interested in acquiring. The cost was nearly identical…and the MY is 40% less expensive. Even for the BMW I remain concerned about repairability given its unique frame construct.

My insurance went up, a lot, when I moved from a Model Y to the iX.

I am terrified of cracking the stupid glass roof. What the heck was BMW thinking with that electrochromatic panel? I just want a clear slab of heat-shielded glass... like the Tesla Model Y.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

My insurance went up, a lot, when I moved from a Model Y to the iX.

I am terrified of cracking the stupid glass roof. What the heck was BMW thinking with that electrochromatic panel? I just want a clear slab of heat-shielded glass... like the Tesla Model Y.

I would be fine with all metal with just a regular sunroof. I leased a Genesis several year ago that had a 6” strip of glass between the windshield and panoramic sunroof. A rock flew up and broke that little strip of glass…which turned out to be pretty easy to fix. My wife’s Ford Edge has this exact same set up. Not sure why BMW thought this arrangement was a great idea…. I doubt I will ever turn off the electrochromatic dimming….

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

I would be fine with all metal with just a regular sunroof. I leased a Genesis several year ago that had a 6” strip of glass between the windshield and panoramic sunroof. A rock flew up and broke that little strip of glass…which turned out to be pretty easy to fix. My wife’s Ford Edge has this exact same set up. Not sure why BMW thought this arrangement was a great idea…. I doubt I will ever turn off the electrochromatic dimming….

The iX was billed as a flagship for new technology, so I think they just wanted to do something no one else was really doing.

[VersatenBMW]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

My insurance went up, a lot, when I moved from a Model Y to the iX.

I am terrified of cracking the stupid glass roof. What the heck was BMW thinking with that electrochromatic panel? I just want a clear slab of heat-shielded glass... like the Tesla Model Y.

We have both a Y and an iX. In the Florida sun where we are the electrostatic iX glass is MUCH cooler than the Y glass

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by VersatenBMW

We have both a Y and an iX. In the Florida sun where we are the electrostatic iX glass is MUCH cooler than the Y glass

Yup, in case someone missed my previous post, I moved my garaged MY and iX out in the sun one morning, put Bluetooth temperature sensors in each, and measured the rising temps over 5.5 hours. I expected the temps to eventually equalize but no, the iX stayed cooler the entire time.

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

Yup, in case someone missed my previous post, I moved my garaged MY and iX out in the sun one morning, put Bluetooth temperature sensors in each, and measured the rising temps over 5.5 hours. I expected the temps to eventually equalize but no, the iX stayed cooler the entire time.

Very interesting! Thanks for running that experiment!

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by thebishman

There is no doubt that sociopath Mush thought that S3XY was funny, hence the nomenclature chosen.

Tesla wanted to use the Model E, but Ford already trademarked it, so it became Model 3.

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by Windshieldfarmer

To your point, when I shopped car insurance for my IX I also priced Model Y insurance since that was a car I was initially interested in acquiring. The cost was nearly identical…and the MY is 40% less expensive. Even for the BMW I remain concerned about repairability given its unique frame construct.

Also a repost of mine. Same model year MY and iX, Geico, and MY insurance costs more.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

Yup, in case someone missed my previous post, I moved my garaged MY and iX out in the sun one morning, put Bluetooth temperature sensors in each, and measured the rising temps over 5.5 hours. I expected the temps to eventually equalize but no, the iX stayed cooler the entire time.

That's some great science right there.

I have only had my iX in winter so far, so nothing to directly compare to. My impression of the MY was that heat through the glass roof was not noticeable in the summer compared to every prior car with a normal/small glass sunroof. Mine was garaged, but I found no need for a shade or tinting while driving around in Georgia sun. So, great news that the iX is better, but it may not be a material difference in my use case.

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

My insurance went up, a lot, when I moved from a Model Y to the iX.

I am terrified of cracking the stupid glass roof. What the heck was BMW thinking with that electrochromatic panel? I just want a clear slab of heat-shielded glass... like the Tesla Model Y.

Xpel sells an ‘Ultimate’ panel pre-cut for our roof. I used an experienced installer and you can’t even tell it’s on there.

Foolproof? Of course not, but I sleep much better at night knowing I have a measure of extra protection for when I’m following trucks on the highway.

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

I have only had my iX in winter so far, so nothing to directly compare to. My impression of the MY was that heat through the glass roof was not noticeable in the summer compared to every prior car with a normal/small glass sunroof. Mine was garaged, but I found no need for a shade or tinting while driving around in Georgia sun. So, great news that the iX is better, but it may not be a material difference in my use case.

Yup, I don't think the MY is bad, but the iX is clearly better. The MY does have cabin overheat protection though, which helps significantly.