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      12-16-2021, 06:02 PM   #1
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I was wondering if someone currently own's an i4 with the m sport package or the i4 M50 and could tell me the main differences speed, interior, exterior. And others things that stand out about the two cars. Also, if you could post pictures of the cars that's would be awesome. One things that bothers me is the whole "i" part, because I love listening to my car and revving it. I know the i4 is electric but if there that sound that you get with a gas bmw? Or is there a feature like active sound to give you that feeling? I know you cannot rev it since there are no exhaust pipes but if you rev it is there any noise through the speakers? Sorry if these are dumb questions….. I'm new to electric cars as you can see
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i4 deliveries are few and far between (haven't heard of anyone that actually took delivery yet) so you'll have to wait to hear first person feedback.

As for m-sport package vs m50, the m-sport is basically just cosmetics. The only things it doesn't add is the badges, the M side mirrors, and the spoiler and brakes (but those two can be added with options). M50 is sacrificing >60mi of range for the 2s faster 0-60. You also get the options for carbon fiber trim interior and exterior.

As for sound, there is the Icon electric sounds option that adds a sound when accelerating and decellerating. But if you're looking for something that compares to a V8 or even six-cylinder, you likely won't find it in an EV, or at least I haven't ever been excited by any of the fake or amplified sounds I've heard from any EV. That doesn't mean the car isn't fun to drive, but EVs aren't the same as ICEs so you have to set your standards accordingly. I personally think EVs excel at being daily drivers or utility vehicles, which is why I plan to purchase an ICE coupe in the future to satisfy that itch for a "fun car".
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M50 is sacrificing >60mi of range for the 2s faster 0-60. You also get the options for carbon fiber trim interior and exterior.
Your missing out on the fact the M50 is dual motor and all wheel drive. The i4 Sport and M Sport are single motor, rear wheel drive only.
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He's driven both, and prefers the 40, I think the 50 has more spec as std, so probably worth building out both to see what the price difference is, surely the 50 will retain more value
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Hi,

I was wondering if someone currently own's an i4 with the m sport package or the i4 M50 and could tell me the main differences speed, interior, exterior. And others things that stand out about the two cars. Also, if you could post pictures of the cars that's would be awesome. One things that bothers me is the whole "i" part, because I love listening to my car and revving it. I know the i4 is electric but if there that sound that you get with a gas bmw? Or is there a feature like active sound to give you that feeling? I know you cannot rev it since there are no exhaust pipes but if you rev it is there any noise through the speakers? Sorry if these are dumb questions….. I'm new to electric cars as you can see
"The" difference in my opinion is all wheel drive.

Well and to some the milage is a big deal, but we're fortunate to be living in an area with an abundance of chargers, so dealing with my 11 mile commute with the M50 will be fine and then we'll sort out longer trips with the charging network.

I've seen some specs (web only) of some 40s that are pretty darn nice. To each their own. As we all know a cars value is in the eye of the beholder.

Good luck!
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He's driven both, and prefers the 40, I think the 50 has more spec as std, so probably worth building out both to see what the price difference is, surely the 50 will retain more value
Excellent review and my feelings about the 40 vs the 50 really mesh perfectly with his observations.
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if I could get a 40 that looked like the M50, I would. since I can't in the US, it's the M50 for me.
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if I could get a 40 that looked like the M50, I would. since I can't in the US, it's the M50 for me.
Really, though?
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if I could get a 40 that looked like the M50, I would. since I can't in the US, it's the M50 for me.
That made me interested to compare, so in my preferred colors, I did a 40MSport with Shadowline and LED headlamps and a 50 with Shadowline...what do you think about these? I actually like the 40's bodycolor mirrors better. I could go either way on the wheel designs.
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Really, though?
We had the same thought!
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if I could get a 40 that looked like the M50, I would. since I can't in the US, it's the M50 for me.
Really, though?
Some of the extras.I want such as carbon interior trim, 20" wheels aren't available.

A couple are deal breakers for me *and* I've already placed my order. I'm not getting out of line to be at the end waiting until almost 2023.
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That made me interested to compare, so in my preferred colors, I did a 40MSport with Shadowline and LED headlamps and a 50 with Shadowline...what do you think about these? I actually like the 40's bodycolor mirrors better. I could go either way on the wheel designs.
They both look good. I picked the wheels you have on the 40 for my M50. I wanted the carbon fiber bits so the mirrors get that. Looks great either way.
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The range between an e40 Msport with 19" wheels and an M50 with 19" wheels is neglible according to BMWUSA's estimates (read **Not EPA rated yet**), literally 5 miles according to their early estimates.

Even on the WLPT cycle, the range when both are equipped with 19" wheels isn't to far off from each other.

So if you can spring for the M50, I would say yes. If you need AWD, then absolutely. But if you are fine with the acceleration of the edrive40 and live where RWD is perfectly fine (it's not like it's slow by any means), then get that and enjoy the savings.
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If i4 e40 had AWD I would definitely get that instead.
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I'd be willing to bet the bank that there will be more than a 5 mile range difference between the 40 & 50. Just carrying 350lbs more, full time, in the 50 will account for more than 5 miles. Then when it's in 4 wheel drive mode, that's another drain on the battery.

Let's wait and see what real world results are.
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I'd be willing to bet the bank that there will be more than a 5 mile range difference between the 40 & 50. Just carrying 350lbs more, full time, in the 50 will account for more than 5 miles. Then when it's in 4 wheel drive mode, that's another drain on the battery.

Let's wait and see what real world results are.
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I'd be willing to bet the bank that there will be more than a 5 mile range difference between the 40 & 50. Just carrying 350lbs more, full time, in the 50 will account for more than 5 miles. Then when it's in 4 wheel drive mode, that's another drain on the battery.

Let's wait and see what real world results are.
Thanks for all the amazing responses….. I live in Canada and I didn't know the the i4 was rear wheel drive, and the m50 was all wheel the winters we get are brutal so I would prefer the all wheel drive any day of the week. Right now I have a 2020 228i GC do you think it would be worth it to switch to an i4 once they become available bc as we know gas prices are up there and us bmw owners need 91 octane…. And I can live with not hearing my car.
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I'd be willing to bet the bank that there will be more than a 5 mile range difference between the 40 & 50. Just carrying 350lbs more, full time, in the 50 will account for more than 5 miles. Then when it's in 4 wheel drive mode, that's another drain on the battery.

Let's wait and see what real world results are.
I hope the constant speed 70mph range will be similar. That would be excellent and unexpected as I opted for the M50 for the additional front motor. 19's for range.

The motors are electronically activated, so motor drag is minimised. But, the weight penalty persists. ECO Slow turns off the front motor for increased range. I also understand that Comfort mode minimises it's usage anyway.

However, with the M50 having a higher top speed, could the final drive ratio be higher? This could help 'highway' range by reducing motor RPM at any given speed for the M50 vs the e40.

My understanding is the Euro test is city biased while the USA test is 'highway' biased. So, if all above conjecture proves true, then the EPA range difference could be minimal on the same size wheels…
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The reg-gen braking (195kw vs 116kw) in stop/go traffic favors the M50, which does help along with the ability to "turn off" the front motors in eco-pro/comfort modes.

Yes, you are using more Kw (or HP) to accelerate and maintain speed on the M50 vs the edrive40 mostly due to the extra weight and higher .cd of drag, but the differences aren't staggering.

I did do a HP comparison between both using DIN weight:

edrive40
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at 60mph, it takes 11.94hp to power the car

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at 60mph, it takes 12.81hp to power the car

The difference is .87hp to maintain a speed at 60mph, or .649kw. This is assuming that both are equipped with the same wheel/tires.
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The reg-gen braking (195kw vs 116kw) in stop/go traffic favors the M50, which does help along with the ability to "turn off" the front motors in eco-pro/comfort modes.

Yes, you are using more Kw (or HP) to accelerate and maintain speed on the M50 vs the edrive40 mostly due to the extra weight and higher .cd of drag, but the differences aren't staggering.

I did do a HP comparison between both using DIN weight:

edrive40
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at 60mph, it takes 11.94hp to power the car

M50
4883lbs
.25cd
7.185 sq/ft frontal area

at 60mph, it takes 11.94hp to power the car

The difference is .87hp to maintain a speed at 60mph, or .649kw. This is assuming that both are equipped with the same wheel/tires.
If you compare M Sport e40 vs M50 the differences will be even smaller. Both have the same body kit and wheel sizes on the U.K. configurator. So, identical resistances beyond the weight and rotational mass of the front motor.
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To add to that, in a controlled test environment, let's say you do use the entire 80.7kw going a constant 60mph on a flat surface (taking regen out of the equation), the difference in range would be approx 15 miles over the life of that charge. **edit** (Actually let me re-confirm this as it may be less than 5 miles...)

However, in real-world applications, we know there will always be a combination of acceleration/deceleration where we do see regen braking, slowing down for traffic, slowing down for a curve, hills etc etc...

I'm definitely looking forward to see real-world range tests from non-vehicle testers. Most of my driving is city roads stop/go in 25*C (or higher) weather, which should have my range leaning more towards the higher-end of the WLTP range tests.
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side note, I personally think the edrive40 will be the most surprising with acceleration, it will be one of those cars that once rolling, it will punch above its league.

Power-to-weight and powercurve is very similar to a base Taycan, and that thing apparently can trap 115mph in the 1/4 mile.
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Unfortunately, having owned 3 EVs, regenerative braking does not add back as much range as one might think. Both the WLTP & EPA methodology must be way off if the argument that there will be little range difference between the 40 & 50 iterations is correct. I think there’s some rationalization going on here. Let’s see what happens when real world data is out. When Tesla had RWD & AWD versions of the MS with the same battery, range differences were not minor.

I still say you pick the e40 for range and M50 for more power if you desire it.
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