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      04-09-2020, 07:21 AM   #2685
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Finally some meat and potatoes after a long break: G70 lineup. Noticeably EV heavy.

Interesting.

So I guess i740 has the smallest battery, around 80kWh. The two others have larger battery around 120kWh and M60 version has several motors.
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      04-09-2020, 07:29 AM   #2686
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Finally some meat and potatoes after a long break: G70 lineup. Noticeably EV heavy.
Great to finally see some details coming to light. Here are my thoughts:

735d: B57 48V - Compromise model falling between existing 30d and 40d? The only B57 model, or a new 745d compromise model falling between the existing 40d and discontinued 50d model coming later?

740i: B58 48V - Carryover or B58 TU2? I'd expect a B58 TU2 to usher in a "45i" nameplate.

745e: B58 PHEV - Carryover or upgraded with B58 TU2?

M750e: N63 PHEV? Given that "M45e" is a B58 PHEV reportedly coming to the X8, "M50e" is likely an N63 PHEV. However, why not "M55e" for better separation? Could "M50e" actually be the new name for "M45e", leaving an N63 PHEV model still unknown?

i740: 523hp 80kWh (same as i440)

i750: ~600hp? 100kWh?

i7 M60: ~700hp? 120kWh?
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      04-09-2020, 11:08 AM   #2687
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G22 is coming? hope corona ends early so our plans not get disturbed.
I hope you understand that no one can guarantee you that right now. Still, Germany is doing a great job containing the virus so there's a really good chance it'll show up in July as planned.
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      04-09-2020, 11:33 AM   #2688
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Great to finally see some details coming to light. Here are my thoughts:

735d: B57 48V - Compromise model falling between existing 30d and 40d? The only B57 model, or a new 745d compromise model falling between the existing 40d and discontinued 50d model coming later?
Makes sense. I have some good evidence that B57 will continue evolving.
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740i: B58 48V - Carryover or B58 TU2? I'd expect a B58 TU2 to usher in a "45i" nameplate.
TU2 but a lower level tune.
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745e: B58 PHEV - Carryover or upgraded with B58 TU2?
Same as 740i, hybridized.
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M750e: N63 PHEV? Given that "M45e" is a B58 PHEV reportedly coming to the X8, "M50e" is likely an N63 PHEV. However, why not "M55e" for better separation? Could "M50e" actually be the new name for "M45e", leaving an N63 PHEV model still unknown?
Same new version of B58 that we'll see in M245i, hybridized.
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i740: 523hp 80kWh (same as i440)
Unlikely that powerful - will need two motors for that but it's a RWD model.
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i750: ~600hp? 100kWh?

i7 M60: ~700hp? 120kWh?
Can't even guess about these ones.
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      04-09-2020, 11:45 AM   #2689
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Interesting, I wonder what the range of the next i7er will be like. To me these full-size flagships always seemed like great road trip vehicles, but I feel like making it electric may change that.
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Pretty sure the i740 and i750 will in fact be i7 40 and i7 50, huh? With a clearly isolated i7 badge on the vehicle (like i3 and i8). Just like an X3 30i is clearly badged as X3 (plus a smaller separate 30i designation), not X330i.
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Pretty sure the i740 and i750 will in fact be i7 40 and i7 50, huh? With a clearly isolated i7 badge on the vehicle (like i3 and i8). Just like an X3 30i is clearly badged as X3 (plus a smaller separate 30i designation), not X330i.
No, i740 and i750. Only the M Performance version will be this crazy "i7 M60 xDrive" thing.

This is in line with i430 and i440 names for the G26 BEV.
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No, i740 and i750. Only the M Performance version will be this crazy "i7 M60 xDrive" thing.

This is in line with i430 and i440 names for the G26 BEV.
The German's just love to use confusing nomenclature
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The thought of having a manual with AWD would be niceeeeee.
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I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.
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I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.
Not worth it from a business perspective because people won't pay more for it.
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I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.
Why stop there? A compact fusion reactor would be much better.
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The thought of having a manual with AWD would be niceeeeee.
With the way the market is shifting we will be lucky to even have an automatic with shift paddles/manual shift mode.

EVs just have 1-2 speed transmissions.
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The thought of having a manual with AWD would be niceeeeee.
With the way the market is shifting we will be lucky to even have an automatic with shift paddles/manual shift mode.

EVs just have 1-2 speed transmissions.
Keep buying these manuals. Gotta keep the interest alive.
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      04-09-2020, 02:47 PM   #2699
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Okay, so if we call the lower output B58 TU2 the "M2" and the higher output model the "O2" for now (acknowledging that the actual names could differ, e.g. possible "T2"), then that would mean...

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TU2 but a lower level tune.
Same as 740i, hybridized.
the B58 M2 retains the "40i" name and the hybrid B58 M2 retains the current "45e" name...

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Same new version of B58 that we'll see in M245i, hybridized.
while the the B58 O2 is bumped to "45i" and the new B58 O2 hybrid gets the "M50e" badge.

Hopefully if that's the way it goes, it comes across less "weird" IRL.

So no V8 model (be it mild hybrid or PHEV) is known yet, then. We'll see how this progresses. I am still unconvinced the non-M V8 is going away completely. I feel like its got to stay for the SUVs at least, and at that point you might as well put it in the 7 and 8GC (two door 8er models have uncertain future) as well.

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Unlikely that powerful - will need two motors for that but it's a RWD model.
Good point, although at some point I expect dual rear motors to be a thing in BMWs. Maybe not by 2022 though.

In any case, it's going to get messy if they start using the same name numbers on vehicles with completely different motor configurations. I suppose it will be the battery capacity alone that drives the numbering scheme now, but if so that's going to be confusing for awhile.
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      04-09-2020, 03:18 PM   #2700
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No info about the next S68 V8?
For sure in works as we will deliver some components for it (tier 1 supplier for BMW)..
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No info about the next S68 V8?
For sure in works as we will deliver some components for it (tier 1 supplier for BMW)..
S68 won't be needed until G60, so a bit too soon for any hard data on it.
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No V12 and no V8 in new 7 series? Well, that actually makes sense if you take fuel consumption, cost and weight of those engines into consideration. BMW can always use R6 engine doing north of 500HP, calling it 750i, if there will be a need for this kind of product. With proper transmission and lower weight, it will surely outperform current 750i. Going fully electric is also feasible and for those in need for a longer trips, PHEV will do the job.

When it comes to i7 M60 version, I don't think BMW will have issues with power and overall performance. But I just wonder if in 2 years time they will have proper battery and drivetrain technology to start fight against Tesla. For me, Tesla currently is out of the equation (build quality, material quality, lets not even start the design discussion...) but I believe their technical stack impresses everyone, not just only me. Since Tesla has their product on the road, being beta tested by all those drivers in need of EV fun, BMW seems to be a far, far away, most likely in another galaxy. I wish they could catch up, but from my point of view (their current EV lineup) it does not look promising.
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When it comes to i7 M60 version, I don't think BMW will have issues with power and overall performance. But I just wonder if in 2 years time they will have proper battery and drivetrain technology to start fight against Tesla. For me, Tesla currently is out of the equation (build quality, material quality, lets not even start the design discussion...) but I believe their technical stack impresses everyone, not just only me. Since Tesla has their product on the road, being beta tested by all those drivers in need of EV fun, BMW seems to be a far, far away, most likely in another galaxy. I wish they could catch up, but from my point of view (their current EV lineup) it does not look promising.
BMW's previous CEO lost his job precisely because he wasted years and didn't push electrification hard enough to stay competitive not just with Tesla but even with the other legacy Germans. Now BMW has to play catch up. We'll see how well they can do it next year, when G26 is out.

BTW, take a look at Munro's teardown of a Model Y: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...5a5Rp1LlET4Wbr. It's not a beta product anymore.
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I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.
You are wrong. Super capacitors are very good at discharging energy over short periods of time. High output, quick charge but low duration. That is why they can be used in mild performance enhancing hybrids like the upcoming Lamborghini.

These just donít work well at discharging electricity in steady flow over long periods of time, like batteries do.

Itís not a conspiracy, just physics.
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You are wrong. Super capacitors are very good at discharging energy over short periods of time. High output, quick charge but low duration. That is why they can be used in mild performance enhancing hybrids like the upcoming Lamborghini.

These just don’t work well at discharging electricity in steady flow over long periods of time, like batteries do.

It’s not a conspiracy, just physics.
Here is something that Nanoflowcell developed that doesn't use solid battery to make electricity.

Mine point about Tesla is that people don't want to use his invention that he developed 100years ago.

Do some reading about Tesla and you will know what I am talking about
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Let's stick to the subject, shall we?
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