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      02-22-2020, 06:47 AM   #485
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Okay, I must ask.

Whom among us here who voted for Trump believes they were influenced by the Russians in 2016?

Serious question.
serious answer: I was influenced by Hillary Clinton
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serious answer: I was influenced by Hillary Clinton
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Okay, I must ask.

Whom among us here who voted for Trump believes they were influenced by the Russians in 2016?

Serious question.
There's a monumental difference between rigging an election to guarantee a result and meddling to nudge towards a result. Our country is so equally divided that all it takes is a little nudge in a few key states.

So no, I don't expect anyone to stand up and say "I was influenced" but that's mostly because none of us know if or how we were influenced.

Serious question back at you: did you vote for trump in the general and in the primary? was trump your candidate of choice from the moment he announced? Were you planning to simply not vote at all until trump came along and announced his candidacy?

If any of those answers are "no" then at some point along the line you changed your mind. What were the key drivers in making that change? That's where influence from outside sources can come in.

Hell, we are ALL influenced. None of us makes a decision in a vacuum. We read posts here, we watch the news, we read books, we talk to friends, we go to campaign rallies, we surf the Internet. All of these points where we take in information served to influence us. If any of those memes, posts, articles, etc. that moved you towards Trump or away from HRC were generated in Russia, then yes, you've been influenced. The impact might be microscopic and in your case it may not have lead to you changing your positions but it still influenced, even if just to solidify a direction you were already headed in. For others, it may have lead to them changing their minds, switching a vote, or not voting at all.

So yes, influence and attempts to influence were there in 2016. 17 different government security agencies agree to that. The bazillion dollar question that we can never answer is did that influence actually change the results? Who knows.
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And did the media influence us, facebook? Are they in trouble?
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And did the media influence us, facebook? Are they in trouble?
Of course they influenced us. But were they acting in the interest and at the behest of a foreign government?
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Worse the behest of leftists. Why be concerned about influence you agree with right!
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Of course they influenced us. But were they acting in the interest and at the behest of a foreign government?
I guess mexico influences us thru the new york times
China influences us thru Bloomberg
Sauid Arabia influence us theu several newspapers they own
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The sanctimonious outcry from the U.S. politicians regarding the prospect of Russian election influence is nauseating. How many foreign elections has the U.S. stuck their dick into? How many corrupt shit-bag puppet dictators have they installed and/or supported? How many coups have they led or assisted? For fuck's sake, we even tapped Angela Merkel's phone. It's pure hypocrisy and American Exceptionalism to now be up-in-arms about whatever influence Russia may have had, and I don't deny that they had some.
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Of course they influenced us. But were they acting in the interest and at the behest of a foreign government?
I guess mexico influences us thru the new york times
China influences us thru Bloomberg
Sauid Arabia influence us theu several newspapers they own
Sure I guess so. I'm trying to dispel this idea that we are all independent thinkers who can't possibly be influenced. Unless you personally know the candidate and make a decision based solely on your 1 on 1 interactions with that candidate and saw or heard nothing else, then you've been influenced. Why do you think we sequester jurors?
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Sure I guess so. I'm trying to dispel this idea that we are all independent thinkers who can't possibly be influenced. Unless you personally know the candidate and make a decision based solely on your 1 on 1 interactions with that candidate and saw or heard nothing else, then you've been influenced. Why do you think we sequester jurors?
As long as independent thinkers have a core principal and value that they anchor themselves on they won't be easily influence.
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Okay, I must ask.

Whom among us here who voted for Trump believes they were influenced by the Russians in 2016?

Serious question.
serious answer: I was influenced by Hillary Clinton
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surely, this post has to win the Internet today
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serious answer: I was influenced by Hillary Clinton
pretty much my response, I wasn't big for Trump I was a Kasich supporter, but no way in hell was I going to vote for HRC or let her win so I bite the bullet and went with Trump. So far I'm happy with his administration and will support him once again.
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As long as independent thinkers have a core principal and value that they anchor themselves on they won't be easily influence.
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I concur
While popularity is not a criteria for the coveted Internet of The Day prize, there is a fortunate confluence of popularity and significance in this case. That said:

You sir, win The Internet today. Congratulations!!

A well grounded and highly informed population of independent thinkers with core values are the key to ensuring the continuation of our republic. Based on what is happening with the left, we're in serious danger.
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I guess mexico influences us thru the new york times
Based on a recent opinion piece in the NYT, the Taliban influence us through the NYT.

Well done, NYT, well done.
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pretty much my response, I wasn't big for Trump I was a Kasich supporter, but no way in hell was I going to vote for HRC or let her win so I bite the bullet and went with Trump. So far I'm happy with his administration and will support him once again.
Voted for Kasich in the primary as well. Trump in the general. Will vote for Trump again.

As someone else said, Trump the person is a complete douchebag. Trump the President, however, has been and will likely continue to be great for this country.
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A well grounded and highly informed population of independent thinkers with core values are the key to ensuring the continuation of our republic. Based on what is happening with the left, we're in serious danger.
Ever since they hijacked the education system and the media in the '60s and '70s, the Left has been hard at work eradicating the populace's abilities to think independently (which is synonymous with thinking clearly), think critically, and apply reason and skepticism to everyday events and challenges. They run indoctrination centers in the facilities formerly used as schools and universities. Their reign must be ended, while there's still a critical mass of us whose frontal cortexes actually work.

A mind must never be so open that everything falls out.
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Serious question back at you: did you vote for trump in the general and in the primary? was trump your candidate of choice from the moment he announced? Were you planning to simply not vote at all until trump came along and announced his candidacy?

If any of those answers are "no" then at some point along the line you changed your mind.
I did not vote in the primary as I wasn’t registered as Republican so I could not. Honestly, probably would not have. Early on I thought Kasich (sp) was a good choice. I voted for Trump because there was no way I was voting for Hillary. Honestly there was also no way I was voting for Bernie had he got the nomination.
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A well grounded and highly informed population of independent thinkers with core values are the key to ensuring the continuation of our republic. Based on what is happening with the left, we're in serious danger.
Ever since they hijacked the education system and the media in the '60s and '70s, the Left has been hard at work eradicating the populace's abilities to think independently (which is synonymous with thinking clearly), think critically, and apply reason and skepticism to everyday events and challenges. They run indoctrination centers in the facilities formerly used as schools and universities. Their reign must be ended, while there's still a critical mass of us whose frontal cortexes actually work.

A mind must never be so open that everything falls out.
agree with this except I'd submit that the Leftist takeover of popular media dates to at least 1932. Walter Duranty and the Pulitzer Board are examples of early NYT bullchit involving Ukraine==>
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A well grounded and highly informed population of independent thinkers with core values are the key to ensuring the continuation of our republic. Based on what is happening with the left, we're in serious danger.
Ever since they hijacked the education system and the media in the '60s and '70s, the Left has been hard at work eradicating the populace's abilities to think independently (which is synonymous with thinking clearly), think critically, and apply reason and skepticism to everyday events and challenges. They run indoctrination centers in the facilities formerly used as schools and universities. Their reign must be ended, while there's still a critical mass of us whose frontal cortexes actually work.

A mind must never be so open that everything falls out.
agree with this except I'd submit that the Leftist takeover of popular media dates to at least 1932. Walter Duranty and the Pulitzer Board are examples of early NYT bullchit involving Ukraine==>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter...ty?wprov=sfti1



In 1932 Duranty received a Pulitzer Prize for a series of reports about the Soviet Union, eleven of which were published in June 1931. He was criticized for his subsequent denial of widespread famine (1932–1933) in the USSR,[1] most particularly the famine in Ukraine. Years later, there were calls to revoke his Pulitzer. In 1990, The New York Times, which submitted his works for the prize in 1932, wrote that his later articles denying the famine constituted "some of the worst reporting to appear in this newspaper."[

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Walter denied the famine in Ukraine, Trump is denying interference in our election. But even now, Matthew Whitaker, his former acting attorney general, is saying there was interference

https://thehill.com/policy/national-...k-capitol-hill
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